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Emily Schooley

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• Delete. This article should be deleted due to a lack of notability on the part of the article's subject. It seems clear that Miss Schooley is a seasoned actress, but without the significant coverage in reliable sources to back it up, this article simply does not belong on Wikipedia. I also feel it is relevant to mention that my previous argument for deletion was removed from this page by User:206.248.178.35, a single-purpose account who seems to only be interested in articles relating to Miss Schooley, is the creator of that article - and who has made the only argument against deletion on this page. Addionne (talk) 12:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• Weak Keep. It seems that this article has been edited and new sources added. While not all would I consider to be reliable and significant coverage under WP:GNG, the guidelines for actors are slightly different - WP:NACTOR states that if an actor has significant roles in several notable movies, then they would be considered notable. I think Miss Schooley meets this particular requirement. Just because something doesn't have a Wikipedia article, does not mean it is not notable - and some of the films have been the subject of significant coverage in multiple sources, and several have won awards from reputable sources. To me, several of the films qualify under WP:NACTOR, and the level of her roles in the films seems to be major enough (to get top billing in marketing, or mentioned specifically in articles relating to the film means she is not a walk-on extra...) that she just might qualify under this requirement. It's weak, but I think with research and effort on someone's part, it might be there. Addionne (talk) 21:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete, sadly as I could not find enough reliable sources and a lack of notability. Also note that the !votes before Addionne are all from SPAs,. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Keep. (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] --Catfood73 (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] someone is taking exception to that and using a ton of single-purpose accounts to argue to keep. In hindsight, I shouldn't have got involved in this - but those things aside, the fact remains that the article does lack sources that qualify under WP:RS, so unless some are located and added to the article - it should be removed. Addionne
• I have removed several personal attacks, legal threats, and BLP violations from this discussion; semi-protected the page; and noted this at the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I've removed some more comments where no evidence was provided. -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z
• Delete. Minor actor in minor roles. Sources are unreliable or don't provide significant coverage. Christopher Connor (talk) 20:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - Subject meets general notability guidelines.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
  • It would be good if you could show the single-purpose accounts how we do things around here properly, by explaining which sources show that the PNC is satisified, and how they show this. Uncle G (talk) 20:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
    • Note this was the user's tenth keep vote in less than 20 minutes,[1] all rationales included in the Arguments to avoid page. Christopher Connor (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Delete and ignore the socks/IPs when counting !votes -- Non-notable actress who has played in many very minor roles (mostly in non-notable B movies), but has not received significant coverage in reliable sources. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 21:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Weak delete. It's evident that the subject is a hardworking actress and I would not be surprised to see a well-sourced article about her on Wikipedia in the future. But at the moment, I am not able to identify coverage of her in reliable sources that would support a finding of notability in the Wikipedia sense. The print newspaper articles cited in the article don't really focus on Schooley at all, nor does the reference in Fangoria.com. There is more extensive coverage on 2 websites (FilmSnobbery.com and FERNTV) but I don't see much to suggest that either of these is a source of the sort that is ordinarily considered to convey notability.--Arxiloxos (talk) 22:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Keep but lock article for a month. Knowing the people on both sides of the fight that eventually resulted in this RfD, I don't want to get involved, but I can't see this RfD being anything but a petty attack. Both parties need to step apart and cool down, and hopefully find some resolution to their issues that doesn't involve this kind of behaviour on Wikipedia. --coldacid (talk|contrib) 05:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Best wishes to Emily, but she currently fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG - a blog entry on a film that simply lists her in the credits is not in-depth coverage in a reliable source. Looking through the scatter-gun list of sources above merely confirms that to me. I would be happy to reconsider if someone can provide two or three sources that cover her in some detail and meet the requirements at WP:RS. Use this as an invitation to learn about how wikipedia works whilst also asserting her notability, please and thank you. Bigger digger (talk) 12:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
• Userfy pending real actual cites -- a cite which says she can't attend something [2] and the like are not strong cites for a BLP. Collect (talk) 13:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - Most sources are trivial mentions that don't do anything to prove notability. Many of the sources themselves are not reliable. If sources can be found that reliably prove notability, then keep, but those do not seem to exist as of yet. — GorillaWarfare ^talk 17:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
• Strong Keep The sad reality is that the current rules defining "notability" are strongly skewed against the Canadian entertainment industry. If Toronto was Los Angeles or New York, an actress of equal notability as Emily would have significantly more online references, put online by the promotional "machines" that exist within those cities. But it simply doesn't work that way on Canada (or most of the world, for that matter). Despite the fact that Emily is known for her film and (national) television appearances here in Canada as well for as her acting classes and workshops, those appearances and works aren't plastered all over the internet in the same way that similar work on New York or Los Angeles would be. This simple imbalance is, in my humble opinion, causing a mass extermination of articles about Canadian talent (actors, models, musicians,etc.) across wikipidia, not to mention articles about other aspects of the Canadian entertainment industry (e.g. awards such as The Constellation Awards having their articles deleted because of lack of "notability" internationally). This has got to stop. Wikipedia should be a balanced, INTERNATIONAL reference, and we as Canadians should be able to look up and research elements of our entertainment culture here as easily and readily as Americans. I therefore ask that we support a KEEP for this article, and furthermore consider ways that this imbalance around "notability" might be resolved so that we can put a stop to the slow disappearance of Canadian entertainment industry information from Wikipedia.

  (As a side note, the simple fact that Emily has been a "notable guest" at events such as Polaris (http://www.tcon.ca/polaris/modules/content/index.php?id=291) should, imo, convey her notability in this country. But again, it appears that Wikipedia's guidelines do not give reasonable weight to local indicators such as being honoured in such a manner at major events outside of the USA, sadly). --guru (talk) 18:42, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

• delete fails epically at meeting GNG. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

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• Keep. Article should be kept as (Removed personal attack. Removed legal threat. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariskov (talk • contribs) 16:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC) — Mariskov (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Keep. (Removed personal attack. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)) There is no reason to allow this to take place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killashandra30 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC) — Killashandra30 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Keep. This particular demand for deletion is an obvious attack on a person and their credibility. Regardless of arguments pro or against, to support this particular demand allows Wikipedia to be used as a non-neutral tool for a personal attack and a grudge instead of a source of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drivenhome (talk • contribs) 17:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC) — drivenhome (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Keep. The article pertaining to the individual Emily Schooley should be kept within wikipedia's databases. Emily is a known actress who gives a significant amount of her time in pursuit of the betterment of her artistic community. I had the pleasure of seeing her speak at a technology and art conference called Notacon in Cleveland, Ohio earlier this year. The video of the talk she gave can be downloaded from http://www.notaconmedia.com/2010/Independent_Filmmaking_Notacon7.wmv. Her talk was a topic of discussion through out the rest of the day in conference suite halls. She is a knowledgeable, talented, and selfless actress. She has much to offer her community and my own in that not only does she perform well on stage, but she also is a wealth of information pertaining to the number of topics of which she has experience in. I whole heartedly recommend that this article be kept in place for the betterment of wikipedia, and to track the progress of a rising star. —Preceding unsigned comment added by chaulis1 talk • contribs)13:26 15 October 2010 (EST) — chaulis1 ([[User talk:chaulis1|talk]
• Keep. Page meets WP:N and WP:RS criteria. 69.165.146.178 (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC) — 69.165.146.178 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .
• Keep. (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.57.139 (talk) 14:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC) — 70.26.57.139 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Keep. I've seen some of her work, and production work, and as a graduated film student the information she has provided is Valid.—Preceding unsigned comment added by GL-Pursuit (talk) 14:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC) — GL-Pursuit (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .

(Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] Schooley is listed here as the author of an e-book teaching filmmaking- Schooley has no IMDB credits for production work on any projects, and has written and self-published the e-book through her own website. (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] her accomplishments and resume do not warrant a Wikipedia page. Deepsix66 (talk) 02:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC) — Deepsix66 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .

• Keep. (Removed personal attack. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)) As can be confirmed with Liana K and Ed the Sock, Schooley has done production work on their show "This Movie Sucks." In addition, in 2008 Schooley worked as production manager for an independently produced television series entitled "A Shadow Shall Fall", which can also be confirmed by independent sources. I would encourage you to reach out to official representation to affirm her credibility and accreditation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.178.35 (talk • contribs)
• *Keep Hi. This is Emily Schooley. (Feel free to email me at any address listed on my site and i will confirm for you.) i'm posting my side of things, and hoping i can trust a bunch of strangers to judge fairly. =)

  First off, yes, i did publicly out Frozen North for their poor treatment of me, after i received a harassing comment earlier this week via Twitter. i have a blog post about that: http://emilyschooley.com/blog/?p=185 and have been contacted by an editor for a gaming website who i will be talking to more about this whole mess shortly. (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] (Which, btw, i'm flattered someone made for me. i do get Google Alerts for myself and was pleasantly surprised when this appeared earlier this year.) (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] Wikipedia isn't the place for a war.

  Yes, i would like my page kept, flat-out. i am working on building my career in a very tough industry to break into, (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] if you look on cached versions of imdb, you will see i am credited there. (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] And no, i had nothing to do with the creation of either my page or most of my imdb listings; as my page has been up and untouched for months, it is rather suspect that it is suddenly being targeted now, no? i would be disappointed if it was suddenly deleted as part of this maelstrom.

  in terms of 'professional' credit... the closest i have to a 'Hollywood' film is probably Small Town Murder Songs and 140, both of which are listed on imdb and have received professional screenings. For the last year, i've landed roles almost exclusively in horror, and those include "One Week in Windchocombe", "Black Eve", and "The Witching Hour." With the professional equipment on set, quality of production values, and a few other criteria, i would consider these legitimate projects, but of course none of them are finished yet so they haven't seen a festival run or distribution.

  Any actor starting out works in student/indie/low or no budget films, most of which you won't see on my resume now. There are projects i don't list anymore because they're not big enough or they were short films or i only had a tiny role in. What i list on my resume now, for the most part, are projects where i've had a significant role in them and i feel the production values are representational of a professional set (lighting, craft services, makeup, etc).

  And yes, my demo reel is from 2008 and is so not my best work. That's why i've tried to put other footage up on my Youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/EmilySchooley; i'm also waiting on a ton of footage from projects over the last couple of years that i think would be stronger choices to post... but editing is a crazy process. And as for "A Shadow Shall Fall", that project is indefinitely on hold due to various reasons. An hour long pilot and ten half-hour episodes were shot and edited together, some with musical scoring but most missing sound and visual FX. i was production manager along with lead actor and a number of other jobs... and managed over 100 people between cast and crew. it was exhausting and nearly a year of my life gone. Frustrating, that.

  As for behind the camera experience, much like film it's been learned in the last three years. i have spent time on unarguably professional sets, such as helping out on the television show This Movie Sucks with Liana and Steve Kerzner. i also tend to take on tech duties on most film sets i'm on - it's in my nature to be a workaholic. They say it takes 20 years to fully master any profession, but i feel i am on my way, as is evidenced by various conventions inviting me to share my skills and experiences. i was selected to speak at Notacon on filmmaking, and have been invited to other notable events such as Polaris, Con*cept, and SFContario for my improv/acting work.

  in terms of training, i started at the University of Windsor (for dramatic arts) in 2002, transferred to Waterloo in 2004 (for the same), finished in 2007, and just moved to Toronto in March this year. There are a couple of articles kicking around in the Kitchener Record about projects i've done in the KW area - Top Girls (theatre), Forest of the Damned (film), The Ticket (film), possibly The Beggar's Opera (theatre) and i've been interviewed about my acting work on a few independent sites, which i believe someone posted links to in the article above. Decide for yourselves how journalistis/non-biased/exclusive/whatever they are. The three articles that mention me listed on imdb are written by accredited sources verified via imdb's standards. There are several films they won't give credit for, so trust me when i say it is often a stringent process to get credits screened and lapproved.

  There are also several reasons why i haven't joined Actra yet - many actors work non-union, so please don't add any undue relevance to that fact. i am represented by a wonderful agent, JC at Just Canadian Talent, who has mostly non-union talent, some of which have been in things like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies and Degrassi.

  Anyway, this is getting long. (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] and ideally for my article to be left as is, for others to add to as i get more acting work and to be an ongoing record of my growths and successes as an actor.

  Also, my apologies, as my keyboard is slightly broken and my 'i' doesn't work so i just copy and paste. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. EmilySchooley (talk) 01:53, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep Honestly, I gave up on Wikipedia because it seemed like everyone wanted to contradict my opinion and change things before I could get my head around how to use the system. I wanted to profile various Canadian talent, but you guys are very discouraging and this is further proof of it. I feel my article should be kept, as Emily is making significant contributions to the film community in Toronto and beyond, as has been outlined above by several of her supporters. I doubt those accounts posting support for her are sock puppets and I would encourage IP tracing to prove as much. I also took my original biography from her site, but it seems to have been changed a lot by other editors. As mentioned, her demo reel is from 2008 and admittedly outdated. I would encourage people to look at newer work instead, such as her Nuit Blanche performance from this year [3]. Small Town Murder Songs screened as part of Toronto International Film Festival, and several projects of hers are not completed yet and therefore have not seen a festival or theatre run. She has been discussed on credible neutral third-party sites such as Fangoria, 28 Days Later, and Big Daddy Horror Reviews. Horror is a niche genre and that is what she has been working in lately, but those are some of the biggest sites out there for it. Several sites including Filmsnobbery and FERN TV have also described her as a rising talent, and I believe the above-listed sites meet the WP:N and WP:RS criteria. As for A Shadow Shall Fall, the pilot screened at Toronto Trek in 2009 (see evidence on http://www.facebook.com/A.Shadow.Shall.Fall) but I believe the series has been put on hold. 140, which she was invited to take part in, has screened in many places: mhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1436308/. I appreciate the efforts of Addionne to at least keep her article encyclopedic and written from a neutral standpoint. As outlined on her blog, Schooley has recently come under attack by Frozen North Productions, and this submission for deletion likely came from them - it should not be given credible weight. Testimony by established creative individuals such as Robert J. Sawyer (http://twitter.com/RobertJSawyer/status/27071851464) or Steven and Liana Kerzner should be given much more weight. In a few weeks, she should have an article in the Toronto Star for another project that she's working on now. And for the record, I am not Emily nor am I related to her or anything like that.

  Here is a list of articles about her/her projects that I believe meet the WP:N and WP:RS criteria. Please decide for yourselves whether these are notable/neutral/a total waste of my time:

  • http://news.therecord.com/article/225554
  • http://www.domecountry.com/festival/archives/2008/wreck-beach2008.html
  • http://blip.tv/file/2145173
  • http://filmsnobbery.com/2009/07/26/emily-schooley-interview/
  • http://emilyschooley.com/acting/polaris2.pdf
  • http://emilyschooley.com/acting/polaris1.pdf
  • http://www.28dayslateranalysis.com/2010/03/black-eve-lives-in-your-nightmares.html
  • http://www.ferntv.ca/FERN_TV/Black_Eve.html
  • http://fangoria.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=187:first-comments-and-exclusive-pic-from-black-eve&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=167
  • http://www.fatally-yours.com/news/indie-haunted-house-tale-one-week-in-windchocombe-begins-shooting-directed-by-f-y-contributor-jeffery-j-timbrell/
  • http://www.28dayslateranalysis.com/2010/08/indie-horror-alert-one-week-in.html
  • http://www3.webng.com/horrormoviesandstuff/HMandStalkstoWindchocombecast.html
  • http://www.ferntv.ca/FERN_TV/One_Week_In_Windchocombe.html
  • http://www.bigdaddyhorrorreviews.com/2010/09/interview-with-ryan-m-andrews-black-eve.html
  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/muppethands/sets/72157624754691562/
  • http://www.ferntv.ca/FERN_TV/Schooley_and_Jovey.html
  • http://horrornews.net/6994/one-week-in-windchocombe-new-indie-scare/
  • http://www3.webng.com/horrormoviesandstuff/OneWeekInWindchocombeupdate.html
  • http://igossip.com/gossip/Horror_Feature_One_Week_in_Windchocombe_Exclusive_n_one_of_the_f/1269109
  • http://www.g4techtv.ca/ July 28th episode. Go to 8:11 and it starts there. - Constellation Awards
  • http://igossip.com/gossip/London_Calling_for_Emily_Schooley_The_Witching_Hour/1210369
  • http://igossip.com/gossip/Up_and_coming_Canadian_Emily_Schooley_shoots_hot_golf_movie_The_Witching_Hour/1208051
  • http://www.fanboyslist.com/byarea/canada-ontario.htm
  • http://www.celebrities-galore.com/celebrities/emily-schooley/home/
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh3uQPEtO2I
• Misssinformative (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

  Hi Missinformative. youtube is a great site, but it cannot be treated as a reliable source because anyone can post anything thee with no editorial control, equally EmilySchooley.com is one hopes under Ms Schooley's control and not an independent source. We can't use either of them to source an article. ϢereSpielChequers 13:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete Removed personal attack (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frnnrthprd (talk • contribs) 23:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Keep. The article was edited with additional information by User:206.248.178.35, which added more coverage of reliable independent sources. It is possible that the original author of the article was discouraged from continuing their project due to an unfamiliarity with Wikipedia. Schooley's IMDB listing has several valid articles about her works, also written by impartial third-parties. Her "Facebook fan page". would suggest that she is of some noted public interest; for example, she has more fans on Facebook than established Canadian actress Kate Hewlett. Additional sources should be consulted before a decision is made. 69.196.139.25 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .
• Note that contrary to the AfD policy that the notice can be removed if sufficient information is provided, (Addionne) reverted these edits almost immediately. They should be left up for review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.139.25 (talk • contribs) — 69.196.139.25 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .
  • Comment. Yep, I did. But it is nothing personal. Biography of living persons policy says that unsourced information about living people should be removed immediately - and so that's what I did there. In fact, I probably should have gone a lot further based on that policy, but with the article nominated for deletion, I am erring on the side of giving people potentially relevant information with which to weigh in on this discussion. Addionne (talk) 13:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
    • Comment. That's fair. But the information is fairly sourced - it is reported by established neutral third parties. It should be left up for consideration. 69.196.139.25 (talk) 13:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Keep. (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] Emily Schooley definitely deserves a Wikipedia article about her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.207.189 (talk) 15:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC) — 99.236.207.189 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Comment Schooley's production credits are all un-cited. She references a twitter account as referring to her as 'beautiful'. Her voice work on an upcoming video game is un-cited. (Removed personal attack -- Jeandré, 2010-10-16t15:42z)[...] She claims to have won an award for her on-screen performance in Two Bucks Short and cites it- however upon further inspection, her on-screen performance is literally 4 seconds long with no lines- "View the 1m13s film to confirm". - and what she has cited is actually a top ten distinction for the film itself, and nothing pertaining specifically to her on-screen performance. She has released an e-book instructing readers on how to emulate "Hollywood production values" despite no cited production credits, no cited 'Hollywood' credits, no cited Film production education, and no cited membership in any acting or production unions. She made reference to a television series she worked on called "A Shadow Shall Fall". After conducting some research, the series was filmed in 2008 and has yet to complete one episode, it has no affiliation with any television network in Canada or anywhere else, and I believe the "teaser trailer".for the 'television series' itself should be an indication that Schooley is merely an independent, amateur actress (Removed BLP violation. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)). Similarly, citing Facebook Fan Pages or Twitter followers as an indication of notability is merely suggesting that Schooley has lots of friends and is a good self-promoter (Removed BLP violation. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)). For the record, I am not affiliated with Frozen North Productions and have never met Miss Schooley. I came across an argument she was having online with the creators of the video game and when I googled her, I came upon this page. After giving it one read I was amazed it had not already been deleted. This is all I have to say on the matter. Deepsix66— Deepsix66 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Comment I strongly recommend a *Keep. (Removed legal threat. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)) There is no proof that Schooley herself had anything to do with creating this article; as for the un-cited video game it is obviously Flip's Twisted World, which if you look at the cached IMDB page for it, you will see that Schooley is credited on it. (Removed personal attack. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)) 206.53.157.220 (talk) 18:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Comment It should be noted that the twitter account in question is the confirmed account of hugo and nebula award-winning science fiction author Robert J. Sawyer who's Flashforward was produced as a television series by ABC last year. One of many industry professionals Ms Schooley has connections to. She's also been confirmed in roles in several movies by sites like Fangoria, which is one of the most popular horror magazines on the planet and Fatally Yours.com which is acknowledge as a reliable credit in literally hundreds of Wikipedia articles online. (Removed personal attack. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)) Ms. Schooley has connections with industry professionals which are acknowledged by said professionals in public and confirmed by sources. (Removed personal attack. Uncle G (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drivenhome (talk • contribs) 19:35, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
• Keep The circumstances surrounding this RfD warrant different considerations than what Wikipedia normally requires. I agree with coldacid that if the page is kept, it needs to be locked for some period of time to discourage further vandalism. Distant highway (talk) 00:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Perhaps explain why it should be kept? — GorillaWarfare ^talk 20:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)