User talk:Knowitallfortoday

Edits and removals of works involved with ronny moorings are removed all the time. It seems a rampage is going on on this site. stop being so childish and leave things as they are , add something constructive and stop trying to demean the above

[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Clan of Xymox, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Please explain your reasons for deleting text on History: "Confirm timing of original members Wolbert and Nooten leaving Xymox:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clan_of_Xymox&diff=404838810&oldid=404837855

Anka Wolbert (talk) 18:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Clan of Xymox. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clan_of_Xymox&diff=369171196&oldid=369029946

Please note that your revision at 13:09 20 June erroneously deletes reference to Anka Wolbert (for your easy reference to the incorrect deletion, please see below)

17:30, 19 June 2010 In 1982 Anka Wolbert and Ronnie Moorings began making music in The Netherlands under the name Xymox, self-publishing the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1983.

Revision as of 13:09, 20 June 2010 by Knowitallfortoday: Ronny Moorings began making music in The Netherlands under the name Xymox, self-publishing the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1984 also featuring Anke Wolbert on the track Call It Weird. This was the starting point of the band Xymox.

To protect the correct legal copyright of the parties involved, please note the facts below: (this information is also posted on the Discussion page of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clan_of_Xymox)

Anka Wolbert (AKA Anke Wolbert) and Ronny Moorings started Xymox in 1983. Anka Wolbert and Ronny Moorings wrote and self-released the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1984. Pieter Nooten joined the band and became the third songwriter in 1985. Xymox signed to 4AD in 1985 (changing the band's name to Clan of Xymox), and released two albums, "Clan of Xymox" (1985) and "Medusa" (1986). All songs on these albums are jointly written by Anka Wolbert, Pieter Nooten and Ronny Moorings. Under Polygram Clan of Xymox released two albums, "Twist of Shadows" (1989) and "Phoenix" (1991). All tracks on both albums are written by Anka Wolbert and Ronny Moorings, with contributions by Pieter Nooten. After "Phoenix", Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten left the band.

Anka Wolbert (talk) 13:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

December 2010

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 20:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Michael Brook. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

• I saw you left this on User talk:Anka Wolbert: "Also you stand warned from being barred." Please don't make such hollow and unjustified threats. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

More Clan

You have made many changes to Clan of Xymox, many of which were not verified, and some of which contradicted the information given in published, reliable sources (starting with the date the band started, for instance). Those edits resulted in this version, which isn't even up to par grammatically. I have undone those changes. What sources you did add (a Billboard article, for instance) I will attempt to reinstate, but going through every individual edit of yours is not a fruitful way to edit.

While I appreciate your efforts to improve the article, edits must be based on reliable sources. You cannot simply enter information that contradicts such sources. Unverified information will be removed, especially if such information is not neutral. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• what is to you a reliable source ? an ex band member who pops up after 20 years inactivity and starts editing or the bands current bio and record label ? further all verifications I gave to you but simply ignore them..without any GOOD reason. If you find a mistake just change the mistake but not delete the whole paragraph, that is out of order just the same
  • As I have mentioned to you a few times already, a reliable source is what Wikipedia defines as a reliable source: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. The implication that I favor one sets of edits over another is really silly: if you look at what I've added to the article you see that it is all based on published information. Whatever references you have given are not reliable--YouTube videos, Amazon.com links, personal websites, et cetera. Moreover, you persist in adding information that contradicts published information, and in adding things that are simply unencyclopedic (unverified praise). Couple that with the personal attacks you have made to User:Anka Wolberts and to me, and I don't really see why I should even discuss these matters with you--but I do so anyway, and I will continue to engage in discussion. But this edit war on the article, that has to stop.

    As I have said before, if you want to improve the article, do it according to Wikipedia's policies. If you don't wish to do so, then don't edit here--Clan of Xymox existed long before Wikipedia did, and they don't need it to continue as a band.

    One final thing: if you have a conflict of interest, as I suspect, then maybe you should declare it. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

January 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Clan of Xymox has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• As an example of your edits, this one will suffice: you removed a perfectly valid source, and inserted a bunch of unencyclopedic and unverified information like this, "January 2006 the EP" Weak In My Knees", included are remixes of Azoic, Destroid ,Grendel and Siva Six plus a video .followed by the release of the album " Breaking Point" which got again all praise and glory , entered high on all charts possible and imaginable , COX embarked on a further tour , this time operating from Germany, where the album Breaking Point got finished. "--which also isn't in proper English. "Got again all praise and glory"? This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: User talk:Anka Wolbert. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

This is your last warning; the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Clan of Xymox, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. It is pretty obvious that there is a conflict of interest here, but changing "Moorings" to "Wolbert" is really silly. Whatever oud zeer you are carrying around, Wikipedia is not the place to let it out. Please stop your disruptive editing--stop adding unverified information, removing verified information, making personal attacks on other editors and band members, and adding Amazon (that is, spam) links. Drmies (talk) 01:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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I do not understand why this bio is not accepted ( it has the proper footnotes) bias reigns here at this Clan Of Xymox page

I do not understand why this bio is not accepted ( it has the proper footnotes) bias reigns here at this Clan Of Xymox page

Ronny Moorings, Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten

, 1989]]

The band formed in Amsterdam in 1984, consisting of Ronny Moorings & Anka Wolbert and released a mini-album, Subsequent Pleasures, in 1984. They were invited to support Dead Can Dance, and were signed to the indie label 4AD, which released their eponymous debut album in 1985. picked up by John Peel, leading to the band recording two of the Peel Sessions at the BBC.

In 1987 they released their second and last album on 4AD, Medusa, before signing with PolyGram. Whilst Pieter Nooten was concentrating on his "Sleeps With The Fishes " album with the artist Michael Brook , Clan Of Xymox concentrated on the album and release of Medusa in 1987's . "Medusa" was mostly a dark record, in places a chilling exercise in atmospherics and modern pop dynamics. Aided by the impressive 12 inch single "Blind Hearts " (1988) the band really started to create a buzz. Clan Of Xymox were now not only inhabiting the arthouse but filling dance floors in the more discerning clubs. "Blind Hearts" reached number 1 spot in Rockpool and Billboard. Pieter Nooten recorded and released his album Sleeps With The Fishes (4AD, 1987), in collaboration with Michael Brook.

The band began to sound more accessible, their third album, Twist of Shadows (Polygram, 1989), being described as "electro-pop" and most successful selling to that date. The album's artwork was done by Vaughan Oliver, and Tony Visconti provided string arrangements. The singles, "Imagination and Obsession " made the US charts. SPIN, praised the album and called it "still ethereal, big and foreboding" and praised the production by Peter Walsh (of Simple Minds fame). By this time the band had moved to England, and released their fourth album, Phoenix, on PolyGram in 1991; Xymox charted in the USA with the single " Phoenix of My Heart " number 5 on the dance charts after this album, Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten left the band; Xymox left PolyGram continuing alone with Ronny Moorings to release Metamorphosis (1992) and Headclouds (1993) independently, on his own X-Ult label.

In 1995 Ronny Moorings toured under the banner of Xymox in the Netherlands with former band mates Will Anvers and Frank Weyzig and his girlfriend Mojca on keyboards. Ronny Moorings made in 1996 for Domark music for computer games named Total Mayhem and Revenant with classical music and ambient sounding tracks.{

In 1997 Ronny Moorings ended the Xymox era and restarted Clan of Xymox; he recruited besides Mojca new live members and started touring. The band signed with the independent US label Tess Records and released Hidden Faces.

The live band, consisting of Ronny Moorings guitars and vocals, Mojca Zugna bass guitar, and vocals, Rob Vonk guitar, Rui Ramos drums, and Nina Simic keyboards, co-headlined the Wave-Gotik-Treffen and Zillo festivals in Germany, where two singles from Hidden Faces, "Out Of The Rain" and "This World," both reached the top 10 in the independent charts.

In 1998 Clan Of Xymox got signed by Metropolis Records in the USA and Pandaimonium Records in Europe. In 2000 the band released Live, a double CD with nineteen tracks and two videos in the special ltd edition The lineup consisted of Moorings on guitars & vocals; Mojca on bass guitar, keyboards and vocals; Rui Ramos drums; and Nina Simic on keyboards. The tracks were recorded during their Central and South American tour in 1999. with the climax for the band in Mexico City's being the former Olympic Stadium Palacio d' Deportes in Mexico City where 20.000 people attended their concert.

1999 saw the release of Creatures, produced by Dave Allen. Also that year 4AD re-released in the USA the first album, Clan of Xymox. Clan of Xymox backed up the album Creatures with an extensive world tour in 1999, starting in the United States with COX headlining on the [[Convergence_(goth_festival)|Convergence Festival]in New Orleans, continued to tour the USA and returned a few months later again.

September 2001 saw the Clan live at big festivals such as Mera Luna, Zillo and Eurorock but also the release of " Notes From The Underground ", acclaimed by critics as their best work ever. The album ranked already No 1 in the USA 's Musicfolio chart as the best album of 2001 and reached No 2 in the well known DAC charts plus numerous chart positions around the globe.

The year 2002 saw in April a new tour plus a very first Remix Album of the band, all tracks of "Notes From The Underground " remixed by renowned artists like Front 242 or Assemblage 23 etc, called REMIXES FROM THE UNDERGROUND" and included was also the very first video disc of COX.

A few months later the single " There's No Tomorrow" was released with various remixes on it and soon 2003 saw the release of their latest album" Farewell",It topped the DAC charts with a number 1 position, number 2 on the World DJ charts, was voted number 1 in Zillo Magazine soundcheck , basically topping in many alternative charts around the world.

Touring the Album"Farewell"the band gave a concert in Lima,Peru where they never had a gothic / electro band performing before. Hundreds of fans were waiting for the Clan to arrive at the airport and caused chaos for the airport security!

Other Latin American countries were included on this tour like Chile & Argentina were COX already played before. Between 2002 & 2003 saw Clan Of Xymox touring many countries in Europe, playing festivals, a return to Mexico, in short playing many shows for thousands of people. In 2004 a new live members joined the band on guitar,Mario Usai. ( known from playing the bass with Sophya)

In September 2004 Best Of Clan Of Xymox album was released.

January 2006 the EP" Weak In My Knees", included are remixes of Azoic, Destroid ,Grendel and Siva Six plus a video .followed by the release of the album " Breaking Point" which got again all praise and glory , entered high on all charts possible and imaginable , COX embarked on a further tour , this time operating from Germany, where the album Breaking Point got finished. 2007 Saw the release of the single Heroes ( David Bowie ) and On A Mission , a kind of taster/teaser for the forthcoming album Clan Of Xymox. March 21st 2008 saw the first double DVD ( Visible, limited edition )release of Clan Of Xymox ever. The DVD is full of clips , live material , a Live special at Mera Luna , backstage scenes , an interview with Ronny Moorings, impressions of personal footage during the foreign tours It reached number 1 sales charts, backed up by an extensive tour in 2008 including many festivals.

Early 2009 Clan of Xymox switched labels, going to Trisol Records in Europe but staying on Metropolis in the USA and Gravitator in Russia. In July 2009 the single "Emily" was released.July 2009 saw the release of the single "Emily" ,a fortaste for the new album and reached nb 1 in DUC & DAC


The last album "In Love We Trust"came out worldwide August the 18th 2009 and reached nb 1 in the DUC & DAC nr.4 and is now already considered another classic of the band. The band announced a new album release for May 2011

1. ^ a b c d e f g h Strong, Martin Charles (2003). The great indie discography. Cannongate. ISBN 9781841953359. 2. ^ a b "RPM News". CMJ New Music Monthly. 23 August 1999. Retrieved 31 December 2010. 3. ^ Axel Schmidt, Klaus Neumann-Braun, Axel; Klaus Neumann-Braun (2004). Die Welt der Gothics: Spielräume düster konnotierter Transzendenz. VS Verlag. pp. 269-70. ISBN 9783531143538. Retrieved 31 December 2010. 4. ^ alternative press issue 39 page 45 5. ^ Sutton, Michael. "Clan of Xymox: Biography". Allmusic. Retrieved 1 January 2011. 6. ^ "Peel Sessions: 04/06/1985 - Xymox". BBC Radio 1. Retrieved 1 January 2011. 7. ^ "Peel Sessions: 03/11/1985 - Xymox". BBC Radio 1. Retrieved 1 January 2011. 8. ^ rockpool march 14, 1988 page 21 9. ^ Robins, Ira A. (1997). The Trouser Press guide to '90s rock: the all-new fifth edition of The Trouser Press record guide. Simon & Schuster. p. 116. ISBN 9780684814377. 10. ^ billboard november 25 ,1989 11. ^ Wright, Christian Logan (August 1989). "Rev. of Xymox, Twist of Shadows". SPIN. Retrieved 31 December 2010. 12. ^ page 128 , Rolling Stone June 13th 1991 13. ^ Melodymaker November 28 1992 14. ^ Melodymaker November28 1992 15. ^ Select Magazine November 1992 page 86 16. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domark 17. ^ http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Faces-Clan-Xymox/dp/B00000DG4U 18. ^ http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/past.php?reqYear=1998 19. ^ http://www.trendcharts.de/de/trendcharts.html 20. ^ http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1259639/a/Live.htm 21. ^ http://www.clanofxymox.com/ look under old tours and click links 22. ^ http://www.metropolis-records.com/artist/clan-of-xymox 23. ^ http://www.4ad.com/ 24. ^ http://www.clanofxymox.com see old tour page 25. ^ see old tour page clan of xymox homepage : www.clanofxymox.com 26. ^ http://www.metropolis-records.com/artist/clan-of-xymox 27. ^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpuClkUd4F8 28. ^ http://www.trisol.de/en/news.html 29. ^ http://www.cybercase.nl/duc/duc.php 30. ^ http://www.sonic-seducer.de/index.php/DAC_Deutsche_Alternative_Charts.html 31. ^ I:Scintilla remixed by Mortiis, Combichrist, KMFDM and Clan Of Xymox for new album

(knowitallfortoday)

• The only reliable and properly documented sources in there are the ones that I added. You use Wikipedia as a reference for a Wikipedia article, and that's against the rules. If you use YouTube to provide evidence, that's not OK since it's a primary source; if it is used to simply link to a video, that is not acceptable here. A biography of a band on the band's or a record label's website is not reliable. I could go on. More than half of what is in this version is simply not notable information, and much of the rest can never stand--there has never been a gothic band in Lima, Peru, until the Clan came by? Who says? The cab driver? Some blog? Drmies (talk) 15:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Regarding this edit: the information is, of course, from a reliable source and it's notable (the topic is, after all, a Dutch singer who sang in English and moved to England). I think the only way to change this is to take up a discussion on the article talk page. In such a content dispute, communication and consensus is the only way out. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 19:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

No other reviews suggest this and therefore you are letting a BIASED VIEW into play. The said article does mention the Northern English accent and being an American he might have felt offended , who knows. To say that you cannot sing SO right as rain instead of proper as right as rain is simply SICK . If you allow this then start editing any modern rock band , let alone RAP etc.for their use of the language or better start with the Cocteau Twins ..this goes too far. I am happy to send you the whole review , tell me where to post it ! talk) So take the said line out as you seem to really let twisted things into the "bio". This way you get rubbish. Look at other pages , not any has or needs as many footnotes as this one. Also when the footnote appears you conveniently erase them.. talk

Knowitall, best to use headings so we can follow. I continue below under the heading "SPIN article and Moorings English" Muso88 (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

SPIN article and Moorings English

Knowitall, unfortunately what you have written is not what is written in the article. In SPIN magazine August 1989, Christian Logan Wright (CLW) writes : "Moorings gets lyrically obtuse because of his limited command of the English language" CLW also writes "Xymox has made heavy synth music, sung with Moorings's approximation of a Northern English accent."

The Clan of Xymox page says "it commented on Moorings' limited knowledge of English". Kowitall, you have changed this edit (more than three times, and without any explanation or discussion on the discussion page); once replacing "Moorings" with "Wolbert" (???), and twice to the mis-quote about Morrings' attempted Northern English accent.

Unfortunately your edit does not match what the journalist wrote. Why does this review bother you so much? Moorings is not a native English speaker - nor were ABBA and lots of people commented on that; it was a well-known fact about them.

Drmies, or some administrator, please can you advise the correct protocol here. It seems a pointless exercise to keep reversing edits regardless of what is written in the article. Muso88 (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• Muso, please, let there be no derogatory comments on ABBA. Next thing you're telling me that you always hated the Dolly Dots. Unfortunately, I can't do much more here--I've tried to explain these matters a few times, and I've suggested what I think is the only way out: discussion on the talk page. If Knowitall continues with removing this stuff, at some point it's going to count as disruptive editing, and that will be soon--it's been three times now? Replacing Moorings with Wolbert, that's really vandalism, though I imagine it's more frustration than anything else.

  Knowitall, this path of editing you're going down is unproductive. It runs counter to Wikipedia's guidelines and policies and only invites more editors to scrutinize your edits. It's your choice: you can help, and make the article better, but you'd have to do that by building consensus (on the article talk page) and by having reliable sources. Or, you can continue, and pretty soon someone might take action, because disruptive editing disrupts the project, and you might find yourself temporarily blocked, with no influence at all on what the article looks like. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Heaven forbid I was being derogatory about ABBA! I am sure I have all their albums. In fact, a lot of people found the coupling of imperfect English with Swedish accents very endearing. But whatever people's view of it all, that's simply how ABBA spoke. A fact is a fact; not a view, after all. Knowitall seems to be insulted on Moorings's behalf by the editor's comment. Probably best if Knowitall doesn't take it so personally - for all any of us know, Moorings might be perfectly happy with the way he speaks English. Muso88 (talk) 23:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

back up posted on http://www.flickr.com/photos/57824173@N05/#photo5322067156 with enough articles to prove the opposite. Moorings was always the spokesman of the band as it seems. The slurring however of Wolbert on " Seventh Time " skin and shit" ( audible on record) and Nootens "Pudding In My Head" on Equal Ways ( audible on the records) you might take that with in the "article" as well ? In any case I will assist Moorings in this ridiculous attempt to slander him with a quote from one single reviewer. That would open the door to bash all bands here on Wiki, simply one statement cannot be the demeanor for the whole. Take the NEUTRAL SIDE here , again , this goes too far. [User:knowitallfortoday]] (User talk:knowitallfortodaytalk)

• You actually HAVE things that can pass as reliable sources. I wish you had come with this earlier. As for the accusation of "slander", that's neither here nor there, of course--dat slaat als een lul op een drumstel. Drmies (talk) 01:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

It's GREAT to see all those old articles, um - Terry? You must have been such a huge fan to file and keep all those articles over all those years! Ronny is going to be so thrilled you have decided to "assist" him. Here's hoping one day he does venture onto the Wiki Xymox page to see for himself. Muso88 (talk) 02:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• HI Knowitall. Uh-oh - some unwelcome news unfortunately. In one of the old newspaper articles you've referenced, the journalist Tom Lanham, in "Dutchman Takes Xymox to Head of Its Class" writes "In halted English and heavy Dutch accent, Moorings, 27, recounts his tale."

So it looks like wasn't the only journalist to notice Moorings' difficulties with English - must be quite a noticeable characteristic if they're all commenting on it. So, definitely a fact, not a "biased view" then, I think we can all agree. You've already put those references up so I'll just reference your source re the English problems, and I'll revert your edit.

and I will keep reverting yours Muso88 (talk) 02:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC