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Korean nationalism

Hey Historiographer, I just wanted to comment on my edit from Korean nationalism. I can completely understand why you would be concerned about using a Youtube link as a source, and I agree with you that we should avoid doing that. I wanted to apologize, because I reverted you when I should not have (I misunderstood the diffs). Therefore, I have restored your edit, along with your section titles and your re-organization. Please accept my apology and I have self-reverted my edit :-)

-- Joren (talk) 05:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Of course, I completely understand your position. Your version is the best way currently. Thank you for your effort, mr. Joren.--Historiographer (talk) 13:29, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

As a Korean, some minority of Koreans adhering ultranationalism are killing themselves. Then again, I personally believe that Goguryeo is culturally pre-Islamic nomadic Persian. Kinda depressing to see the multitude of disputes in world history. Komitsuki (talk) 20:18, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I re-added the Korean nationalism#Pure blood theory and the Korean nationalism#Reconstructed history sections, but I tried to go through it and remove the unsourced claims as well as the claims that were being supported by the wrong sources. I'm still worried about the historical reconstruction section; I removed the stuff about Chinese characters and fantasy claims because they didn't seem notable and did seem like POV, and the sources were a blog, a Youtube posting, and a newsgroup posting. After I got finished going through it, we only have one source for the entire section. Anyway, please see Talk:Korean nationalism for details. If you have any concerns about the remaining sections, please discuss on the talk page and make suggestions for how we can make it better. Thank you,

-- Joren (talk) 07:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

Historiographer -- You may not have noticed that I relisted the projected move of Eulsa Treaty at WP:Requested moves#Current discussions/August 31. It is only prudent for me to alert all contributors in our discussion about changing the name of this article.

Please consider Talk:Eulsa Treaty#Relisting at WP:Requested moves.

On one hand, this can be construed as an unnecessary delay. On the other hand, this ensures the possibility of wider community input which may bring out any points-of-view which remain unstated or glossed over. --Tenmei (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Mediation

I sought assistance here — Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-10-04/Eulsa Treaty. I do not know what happens next. --Tenmei (talk) 21:14, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Summarizing the so-called discussion which began at Talk:Eulsa Treaty in early August here:

A. In an attempt to help us start discussion, options were proposed here and refined here.

1. Leave it at its current name?
2. To Japan-Korea Protectorate Treaty?
3. To Japan-Korea Treaty of 1905?
4. To 1905 Protectorate Treaty?
5. Or what?; see the second paragraph of page Eulsa Treaty.

B. Valentim presented the results of a Lexis/Nexis search here. This supplements several Google searches.

In the many weeks of so-called discussion thread development, those opposing the move have either been unwilling or unable to present refutation or counterargument; and therefore, I propose we delay no longer.

In other words, I suggest that there is a consensus to act now on the basis of the Lexis-Nexis search outcome. The time has come for this article to be renamed Japan-Korea Treaty of 1905. --Tenmei (talk) 19:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

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Please discuss before making changes to the History of Korea template. The discussion page lists many good reasons against your version. Your only comment for reverting back to the incorrect version is because you "don't think so" and because the other editors are IP editors, which is an ad hominem attack. Please be civil. Thank you. 99.88.103.225 (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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Unequal treaties

Please consider Talk:Unequal Treaty#Japan-Korea relations in 1904-1905. --Tenmei (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

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November 2010

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Tsushima Island, you may be blocked from editing. Oda Mari (talk) 17:11, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

It was just only once. Why are you picking on me? That incident also occured in southern Korea, not just Japan. If you put it that way, it is you that are in the disruptive editing based on Japanese view, isn’t it? Do it properly in everything instead of nitpick.--Historiographer (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

As far as I remember, it was not me who added the Japanese name to the article. Even if it was me, it would have been impossible for me to provide the Korean name as I do not understand Korean language. You should have left the Japanese name as it was and simply added the Korean name to the article. You've been here for long enough to know this kind of edit is inappropriate, haven't you? Please do not repeat the same mistake. I don't think you are a careless editor. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 04:42, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I agree with it in a degree. Thank you for your advice.--Historiographer (talk) 00:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Gook

Hi. I reverted your edits in the Anti-Korean sentiment article. I actually don't understand why did you removed the other references of the word "gook" in various dictionaries. It's all sourced, so where is the problem, then? ItsAlwaysLupus (talk) 02:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Umm... It is too much excessive explanations, and these contents was originally included in Anti-Japanese sentiment. Thus, I decide that removing these sections are better than moving to original article. Finally, I also don't understand why did you moved these references of the word "gook" in Anti-Korean sentiment.--Historiographer (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Why? What a strange question. The gook text in Anti-Japanese sentiment is simply copypasted from the Anti-korean sentiment article so it belongs to the latter. I won't revert your second edit because I myself find these citations of the dictionaries very confusing; the term "gook" is often associated with koreans. Sincerely, ItsAlwaysLupus (talk) 16:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hello

My knowledge of ancient Korean history is weak so I was hoping you could verify the new edits in the Goguryeo page? I'm not very sure about some of the info. Thank you! --KaraKamilia (talk) 15:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Someone edits this article before I'm connecting into the Wikipedia. Current revision absolutely nothing wrong. Thanks--Historiographer (talk) 00:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Revert

Please note that I've reverted a small edit here. My explanation for this and other edits can be found on the article's talk page.

Please take a look at these diffs at Talk:List of tributaries of Imperial China:

• A diff 21:29, 15 December 2010 Tenmei (78,360 bytes) (→Japan: new section)
• B diff 21:36, 15 December 2010 Tenmei (78,630 bytes) (→Japan: tweaking)
• C diff 01:35, 16 December 2010 Tenmei (80,379 bytes) (→Japan: explaining revert of Historiographer's disputed edit)

If my words are not clear, please point out the parts which need further explaining. I will try to rewrite using different words. --Tenmei (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

IMO, my edits do respond in part to suggestions implied by your edit summaries here and here:

• diff 14:16, 20 August 2010 Historiographer (22,012 bytes) (It is unusually overemphasized about Korea.)
• diff 02:09, 21 August 2010 Historiographer (22,012 bytes) (If you want to emphasize tributary action of Korea, You should applyed the fair criteria to other states.)
• IMO, this demonstrates a kind of constructive engagement with your implied criticism. --Tenmei (talk) 17:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

You always have a lot of words, especially when you find fault with something the other user including me did. If you put it that way, there was also inconsistency in your criticism. See this page. Thus, You're in no position to accused to me. May be you will trumpet my words the other talk pages. I am confident. --Historiographer (talk) 23:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Historiographer -- Please look at my diffs in a different way. Rather than viewing my words as a kind of criticism or a complaint, please assess my words as a kind of proof that I am taking your diffs seriously. I am examining and parsing your edits fully and directly. In that way, my diffs can be described as encouraging, helpful, constructive.

May I repeat what I've already written above? The number of words is not as important as the meaning of the sentences.

*A. If my words are not clearly understood, please point out the parts which need further explaining. I will try to rewrite using different words.

B. IMO, this demonstrates a kind of constructive engagement with your implied criticism.

Is there a specific problem which might be helped by additional or different words? Is there a specific sentence which is not understood? --Tenmei (talk) 00:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I created Yemaek page.

This may affect Goguryeo page to which you are giving a lot of contribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gomanari (talk • contribs) 00:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Excellent works! Gomanari. I also amend this article partially as a wikified. Thanks your contribute again.--Historiographer (talk) 01:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your correction! See you frequently on Wiki! -- Gomanari

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Huh, edit-war was completed in last friday. I want to know about the meaning of Your belated response. But, Absolutely, I'm break off edit wars until showing alternative version.--Historiographer (talk) 04:53, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Seeing the edit history, the edit war sometimes stops few days then resumes so I don't think my warnings are too late. Anyway, Thank you for your consideration. --Kusunose 05:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

You should stop accusation about users, and discuss improving the content. Please avoid reverting just for fun. Other people are trying to make the template better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.77.183.247 (talk) 14:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Who saying I ever did it like your words? You or Your other IPs? Don´t provoke a quarrel uselessly.--Historiographer (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

List of sovereign states

This list uses a single source for translations and transliterations. However names are transliterated in this source, the article will reflect this, with no exception. Whether or not that is the style commonly adopted within the country does not matter. Stick to the source. If you disagree with this system, get a consensus for change before repeating the same edits. Nightw 04:02, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

You are slow, aren't you? We should do in Rome as the Romans do. It be quite the same.--Historiographer (talk) 06:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I've explained to you why we're using the particular romanisation that we currently do. Again, if you disagree with this, bring it up on the talk page. Repeatedly making the same edit without consensus is a violation of Wikipedia's editing policy. Nightw 12:03, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Your reverts

I see you have already been noted as a problematic editor by others. Well, my message is, I am sure you know more about Korean history than I do, but please stop parading around the 2333 BC date in all possible and impossible places. Thank you. --dab (𒁳) 12:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Once again, See below category, if you put it that way, the below category is crushed. You also notice already mentioned term "legendary".--Historiographer (talk) 12:39, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Excellent addition

-to sinophobia. Although one question: I've always thought 되놈 also had connotations with being dirty, am I right? So it can also mean dirty chinaman? Anyways, nice work. Kuebie (talk) 11:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Meaning that dirty chinaman is misinformed. Historically, 되놈 has originated from Jurchen and Manchus.--Historiographer (talk) 12:01, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Request for Comment

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Good step in process of collaborative editing

Please accept my apology for delay in responding to your edits of January 24 -- please read Talk:List of tributaries of Imperial China#Good step in process of collaborative editing. --Tenmei (talk) 02:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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Sea of Japan naming convention

I am reviving a discussion on the naming usage of Sea of Japan and East Sea. See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean)/Disputed names. Chunbum Park (talk) 06:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

April 2011

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Gimbap, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. The information is referenced. If you disagree with the content, please provide RS which contradicts the current ref. and use talk page first. I think historical records before the annexation would be preferable. Oda Mari (talk) 05:30, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Korean wikipedia explain: 김밥의 유래에 대해서는 ‘한국고유음식설’과 ‘일본유래설’이 있다.(Accroding to the origin of Gimbap, there are two views: Korean traditional or Japanese influence.) However, You just mentioned about Japanese influence view. In addition, you should give more neutrality reason for this article, while raising a dispute.--Historiographer (talk) 05:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I only restored the referenced material as a patroller after checking the ref were correct. If I remember correctly, I've never edited or add something to the article. I'm not interested in the article basically. It is a mystery to me that, unlike sushi, the article does not have the etymology nor the history section. It would be nice if you expand it with RS. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 05:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Joseon Dynasty. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Joseon Dynasty. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

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Huh, You are always blame me as if I hold firm to my view only. However, Your edit also show an inclination toward Japanese views. Please, don't assert only your opinions are right.--Historiographer (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Plus, this edit war was beginning by Jpatokal, but You are only threatening attitude toward me. That is showing about your antagonism for me and it is not neutrality. Isn't it?--Historiographer (talk) 16:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at Joseon Dynasty, you may be blocked from editing. Your edit was clearly not NPOV. It's white washing. If the dynasty was a sovereign state, there would not have been the article one in the Treaty of Shimonoseki . What do you think the meaning of the article one? And see this. The 1886 flag says 大清属国. You know 属国 means tributary state. Please stop refusing the historical fact and do not add the factual error to the article. Oda Mari (talk) 16:28, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, some materials showed that Korea is a absolute tributary of China. However, it is just formal, not practical. Many of trade and foreign relationship with imperial China was regared as a tributary one. Can it be so only Korea was described this?--Historiographer (talk) 16:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Whether it was formal or practical, the dynasty was a tributary of China, wasn't it? That is why to describe the dynasty was a sovereign state was a factual error. "Can it be so only Korea was described this?" What do you mean by that? I don't understand your English clearly. Please paraphrase it. It was mentioned on Ryūkyū Kingdom. Is that what you wanted to say? Oda Mari (talk) 08:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Once again, all of relationship with the Imperial China was regared as a tributary. Why did you only emphasized this facts to Korea?--Historiographer (talk) 00:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

You have been reported for a 3RR violation; nonetheless, I am still interested in your explanation for your reverts at Talk:Joseon_Dynasty#Here we go again.... Jpatokal (talk) 23:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Joseon signed unequal treaties to Qing.仁祖 宪文烈武明肃纯孝大王 李倧丁丑约条签订始末考刘为：清代朝鲜使团贸易制度述略 Imbonwwwww (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

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Please use one account and stop 3RR. Imbonwwwww (talk) 17:44, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Who you calling a acting Vandal? You have no claim to rules.--Historiographer (talk) 00:10, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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I'll be working on Korean ethnic nationalism for a while

Feel free to help out when you get the chance. Kuebie (talk) 01:32, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I think this article is so unreasonable contents. It should be removed, not name changes.--Historiographer (talk) 08:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Just everything about is suspect (and just lol how so many fucking Chinese users have it on their watchlist - I seriously can't do shit without somebody undoing my changes). It stays, for now. I'm planning on doing massive rewrites on the whole thing per Cydevil. Kuebie (talk) 09:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

History of Korea‎

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Thank you for your advice with threaten.--Historiographer (talk) 11:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Please explain why my suggestion is construed as threating. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:19, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

This is the second time you changed the section name without participating the ongoing discussion. I will bring this to ANI if you do this again without discussion. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Huh, I do not anything after your threatening words. I also will bring this to ANI if you do deliberate deception toward Korea-related articles.--Historiographer (talk) 14:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Your tendency toward bias.

It is disturbing to me that you seem very biased as a native Korean. Please know that editing on Wikipedia is not for *defending* a position (such as the nationalist Korean side), but for allowing a fair discussion of all opinions. Please be careful, as some editors are beginning to notice a bias from you that is not according to the spirit of Wikipedia. If you want to be a Korean nationalist you will have to create your own website for that. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.65.44 (talk) 17:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

If you want to accuse me, please log-in your account, not personal attack on me via an IP.--Historiographer (talk) 23:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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Korea

Long time no see ! Can you take a look at

• 
  Korea 1592-1597, by Yug. Background to update.

I used the 1449 background you made. If you can provide a ~1590 background, or a 100% topographic background for this map, then I may display it in articles Japanese invasions of Korea (1592–1598). Regards ! Yug (talk) 18:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Excellent map. However, it has some factual error.

First, Japanese was not marching toward the Chagang region.

Second, Bohai Sea is not there, instead this sea is the Yellow Sea.

In addition, I think that if you added a Korean navies acts in this map, it made a map plentifully. Sincerely. --Historiographer (talk) 23:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello ; ]

For Changang, the my source clearly state this march.

Stay: Bohai / Yellow, ok, to fix ; need a blank topo background (or is this 1449 background still occurate ?).

Question: Have you a source for the Korean navies acts, or can you edit the map yourself and add the source ? Yug (talk) 04:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm.... I don't know how can making .svg file. Instead, I give a Korean laguage sources to you.1 (Red arrow is Japanese armies route) and 2 (Blue arrow is Korean navies' route)--Historiographer (talk) 05:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2011

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Japan–Korea disputes, you may be blocked from editing. As for your removal of referenced material, I do not understand why it is excess. Looking at the section, there are only Korean claims. I think the Japanese claim/reaction is needed to the section too. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:44, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

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Edit warring on talk page

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