User talk:Δ: Difference between revisions

Listen man, we disagree on things and I think you should dial it back (to the point I think you may need to be forced to dial it back), but I agree with you that civility is a two-way street. LessHeardVanU was out of line and I've told him so. I think a warning is sufficient right now. If you feel someone is pushing you around to the point of being hostile, I will stand by you. Let me know and I'll go to bat for you so you don't lose your cool (you can even e-mail me and vent, if you so desire). I don't think what you are doing is particularly helpful all the time, but I also recognize that some people are pushing you around. Just keep a level head and I'll back you up on civility issues (FWIW, I've been targeted by a particularly prolific sockpuppeter with over 300 accounts; he's accused me of all kinds of things including murder). Just chill and keep it civil. — BQZip01 — ^talk 01:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support, its about frackin time people started to notice that I am normally a very civil person until pushed too far. Other than with the usage of logos I think our views on NFCC are fairly similar. Feel free to jump onto IRC any time and grab my ear if you want to discuss anything. (my nick is Delta or Delta|away normally on the freenode network) I idle in most wiki related channels. I think that if we could get most of the main players on both sides of the NFCC debate together, on IRC where communications are real time, I think we are all fairly similar in regards to our views, and I think a general airing of opinions and discussions, issues, approaches, and ideas would be helpful to both sides.

PS you might want to try adding importScript('User:Δ/NFCC.js'); to Special:MyPage/common.js for two useful tools with regards to non-free files and their rationales. ΔT _{^{The only constant}} 01:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see such dialogue. Don't you mean Special:MyPage/skin.js? Rd232 ^talk 01:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, /common.js applies to all skins, if a user changes skins anything in common.js keeps working, its independent of your skin file, (kinda like a global scripts feature) ΔT _{^{The only constant}} 01:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, splendid. Well that seems worth recording in a suitable location, so I made Wikipedia:Common.js. Rd232 ^talk 02:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image Police Request

Can you please take a look at the many issues with uploaded images as indicated on User talk:Hoops gza? This user has been having a hard time understanding Wikipedia policies and the talk page is full of image problem notices. There was also a disturbing post a while back where the user was advised to simply start marking all images as public domain. There is still further an ANI notice about this, and I'm surprised the image issue hasn't drawn more attention. Thank you! -OberRanks (talk) 16:31, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nicaraguan córdoba

Delta, I've just come across this edit on Nicaraguan córdoba from 6 June, and I want to ask you, in your judgement, whether you think it was really appropriate?

Remember, per WP:NFCC #8 and #3a, the community expects images to be kept which "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic".

In your judgement, can you really affirm that, in stripping the article of every single image apart from the (free) flag of Nicaragua, that you have preserved the understanding that readers were getting of the topic ?

You job is to try to work towards that balance; not to nuke the article into the stone age.

It seems to me that, particularly given the difficulty to describe of any pattern or consistency in the 2009 bills, there is a strong case for illustrating them all. The 2002 series was more consistent, but the images are useful to show the variety and range within that pattern. It is also, I suggest, clearly informative to show what the coins look like.

Given this, can I suggest that the appropriate action would be to identify on the talk page which particular images you believe fail to increase reader understanding; and in the mean time to restore the page to the state it was in before 6 June, to allow informed discussion. I appreciate that you may fear that insufficient attention may be paid simply to such talk-page interventions; but even in the worst case, if you feel there is a legitimate case for deletion, and that your concerns are not receiving proper attention, you can always refer them to WP:FFD and allow the community to decide.

Regardless, I hope you would agree that your edit of 6 June did not leave the article in an appropriate final state, and was therefore not appropriate; and I therefore expect you to reverse it.

If you believe that that edit was an appropriate final state to leave the article in, I have to inform you that I should feel bound to ask the community to consider that view at WP:AN/I; and to review, if that is your judgement, whether it is appropriate for you to continue to act as an enforcer for the community in this area. Jheald (talk) 00:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You must have missed the memo, take a look at 1 cent euro coins,1 euro coins,2 cent euro coins,5 cent euro coins,10 cent euro coins,20 cent euro coins,50 cent euro coins,Coins of the Dutch guilder,Coins of the Philippine peso,Commemorative coins of Poland: 1999,Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Netherlands),Florin (Australian coin),New Design series,One pound (British coin),Peruvian nuevo sol,Shilling (Australian),Threepence (Australian),Vatican euro coins. All of those articles have had large scale reductions of non-free content. This most recent cleanup was started by Hammersoft, and Hammersoft gave plenty of notice. See Talk:Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Netherlands)#Over use of non-free images for one example of many many notices that Hammersoft left, prior to us starting the large scale removals. My removals shouldnt be a final state, what should happen is that the editors of the affected pages should select a small sample of the previous non-free material which they see as the most important and them re-add that. ΔT _{^{The only constant}} 01:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

JHeald, to threaten to take this to WP:AN/I to force Δ not to work in this area is wholly inappropriate and absolutely out of line. In as much as you expect Δ to revert his edit, I expect you to apologize for your uncalled for aggression towards Δ. --Hammersoft (talk) 03:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
JHeald, I second that. First, this has nothing to do with WP:FFD, and the Foundation has asked us to minimise the use of non-free media. As Delta shows, notice was given early on that here something needed to be done, giving enough time for discussion, but (apparently) no-one wanted to do anything about it. Your further threats are totally inappropriate, and I expect you to withdraw them, and to apologize for this aggression (note: this is yet another example of an established editor who, in a first post to Delta on a subject, fails utterly to assume good faith on Delta, ánd is using inappropriate aggression in the same post). --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 07:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 *JHeald, to threaten to take this to [[WP:AN/I]] to force Δ not to work in this area is wholly inappropriate and absolutely out of line. In as much as you expect Δ to revert his edit, I expect you to apologize for your uncalled for aggression towards Δ. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 03:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 *JHeald, I second that.  First, this has ''nothing'' to do with [[WP:FFD]], and the Foundation has asked us to minimise the use of non-free media.  As Delta shows, notice was given early on that here something needed to be done, giving enough time for discussion, but (apparently) no-one wanted to do anything about it.  Your further threats are totally inappropriate, and I expect you to withdraw them, and to apologize for this aggression (note: this is yet another example of an established editor who, in a first post to Delta on a subject, fails utterly to assume good faith on Delta, ánd is using inappropriate aggression in the same post).  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 07:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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