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Run the World (song)

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Delete per WP:NSONGS and WP:GNG. I advise readers not to be fooled by the appearance of this article - the vast majority of it is WP:PUFFERY. We have the following:

• A very long WP:NOTDIARY-esque paragraph detailing the production process of Love? (this song is mentioned in the last sentence only - ""Run the World" was recorded as a result from the new recording sessions")
• The song's production credits twice (once in prose and later as a list, each sourced by the Love? album notes)
• Three reviews of the song (all of which are sources which evaluate the song in the context of reviewing the album Love?[1][2][3])
• A big, long quote about how JLo enjoyed working with the song's producers (which is taken from her own website)
• A confusing few lines about whether someone's rap was or wasn't on the track (all sourced by blog sites of a questionable reliability [4][5][6][7])

In short, there seems to be nothing remotely notable about this song (either here or when doing a quick Google search) that isn't already outlined in Love?. It has not received any non-trivial coverage from multiple, verifiable, reliable or independent sources to pass WP:NSONGS or WP:GNG. It wasn't released as a single, it didn't chart, it hasn't received any notable acclaim or awards. Nothing. SplashScreen (talk) 22:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. — Tomica (talk) 23:39, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• WP:JUSTAVOTE? SplashScreen (talk) 23:41, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

• Delete I just removed some Wikipedia:Fancruft which had nothing to do with the song. Very small article, no charts or awards. A classic case of trying to make the article bigger by adding "Background info" which has nothing to do with the song what-so-ever in any way shape of form. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 23:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

  Note: Fancruft was reverted and added back, without an explanatory edit summary of reason, by User: Status. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

• Comment. If this article should be deleted this, this (it even does not have a background and its a GA, how is that possible?), this maybe should be too? I know that these ones charted, but they are not different (even worse) than "Run the World". — Tomica (talk) 00:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Tomica, I'm sure that an editor of your experience is more than familiar with WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. SplashScreen (talk) 00:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oh please. Difference is, the information in those three articles is only about those three articles, not useless info from 5 years ago. And they charted, so they meet notability, which you said yourself, so you've contradicted your own point. And don't play the "not well written" card, you seem to be forgetting yourself about a year ago. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 00:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed. But those were just some examples of articles which does not include to be GA's here, they are more like stubs. Nothing personal though, they are not the only articles who look like stub and are GA's. My thing is, "Run the World" has enough information for to stay as an article. And Calvin, I didn't say they are not well written, but do not contain enough information to be GA's... you seem to be forgetting yourself about a year ago. ... typically you. — Tomica (talk) 00:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• It's not about the length of an article, Tomica, it's about how well written it. And you said they are worse than RTW, which is effectively saying not well written. I'm not stupid. Don't provoke me, it annoys me. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 00:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• ""Run the World" has enough information for to stay as an article" - Tomica, I don't mean to sound like a broken record but I've had to ask you a few times in a few different AfDs. Please take a look at WP:ATA. It'll save us all some time. And perhaps we can save personal disputes for elsewhere :) SplashScreen (talk) 00:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• How can an article be a Good article per the Wikipedia policy when it does not have a Background information and only 3 sentences per section? — Tomica (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• To be honest Tomica, I couldn't care less. Perhaps you should take that particular page to WP:GAR, just don't bog down this AfD with your problems with other users and/or pages. SplashScreen (talk) 00:26, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• This says Background and composition, but there's no background. The production para is just that, production. No different to Red Lipstick etc. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 00:28, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• That's still Background for the song and has a far better Composition from "Red Lipstick". — Tomica (talk) 00:29, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• EXCUSE ME! As WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS and this conversation has nothing to do with the article at hand, can we take this somewhere else before people start getting blocked? SplashScreen (talk) 00:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Getting blocked for what? Statυs (talk) 00:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive editing that has absolutely nothing to do with this AfD. SplashScreen (talk) 00:35, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Are you aware of what disruptive editing is? Statυs (talk) 00:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm replying to one. SplashScreen (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

In all fairness, Status, Tomica nor me have been disruptive. It's a discussion, not disruption. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 00:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

But it has nothing to do with this AfD at all. If you want to argue over other articles, use the talk pages of those articles. Not this AfD. SplashScreen (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  Gongshow ^Talk 00:43, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep: this article seems to have enough sufficient information about the composition and theme of the song, critical reception and relevant background information. Songs don't have to chart to be notable. −SoapJar 03:19, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Having enough information is not a reason to keep an article per WP:ASZ or WP:VALINFO; the issue here is that all of this information is sourced from the wider context of Love? and shows no notability outside of that. By definition, individual charting (among other things) would show such notability. SplashScreen (talk) 08:49, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep there is enough coverage to warrant a reasonably detailed article. Till I Go Home 03:48, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Again, having lots of coverage does not mean that a Wikipedia article is kept (WP:ASZ or WP:VALINFO). Unless there are sources that cover this song outside of the context of Love?, it will be deleted. SplashScreen (talk) 08:49, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - since this AfD was opened, the article has been expanded with more WP:PUFFERY, including more coverage from non-notable blogs [8] and more critical responses [9], both of which are taken from appraisals of the album as a whole. Please also note the following comment made by article creator and keep !voter Status (talk · contribs) at a previous AfD - "YET ANOTHER pointless article. Seriously, when will this end? Sure, it is a well-written article, but it does not need the main criteria for song articles: charting and/or awards. It was performed live, and some critics talked about it (mostly as a part of the album review). That does not warrant for its own article. I really wish users would stop making articles just for the hell of it, and to have each song on an particular album have its own article like its an accomplishment or something". SplashScreen (talk) 08:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Quoting comments from myself from almost a year ago? That reminds me of another user... Just can't put my finger on who... Funny enough, that discussion appears to be one of your first edits on Wikipedia. Very strange. It means a lot to me that you would remember. Statυs (talk)

• Status, I reccomend that you either contribute constructively to this AfD or not at all. Baiting other users and applying smoke and mirrors techniques is not improving the discourse. SplashScreen (talk) 10:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• You seem to be the one replying to everyone's opinions as if you're gonna change their mind and bringing up stuff from almost a year ago. None of which have any place in the AFD nomination at hand. Statυs (talk) 10:17, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• "keep !voter" I didn't even !vote on this. :') Statυs (talk) 10:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• You only do things which suit your Status. If it doesn't suit you, you don't want to do it. You want those articles I did deleted, even though they charted, but you want yours to stay. It's called double standards. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 11:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, now I remember! It was you, of course! I already explained this to you. You seem to like bringing up the same old shit over and over again. You actually don't even know me, so that's quite of an odd statement. Statυs (talk) 11:43, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Only ever said it once before. Sarcasm is not appreciated or needed. I don't know you, but I can get an idea of what you're like from your editing, comments and edit summaries. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 11:48, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. There's enough information about the song for a individual article. Songs don't have to chart to be notable like someone already said here. VítoR™ ^{Talk That Shit} 13:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Once again, "lots of information" does not mean "notable". SplashScreen (talk) 15:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Weak Delete Could be a good article, but right now it's just a lot of fluff and Wikipedia:Fancruft. May not meet the threshold of WP:NSONGS, although this too could change. 70.112.234.243 (talk) 21:35, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Note: This is one the first edits by this IP, and their first AFD edit. Statυs (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Just as an example (and out of curiosity) if songs like this didn't chart, would they be up for deletion? Because, if you remove the "Background" section of Run the World, the article still has enough notable info about the song. So i don't understand how it's "A classic case of trying to make the article bigger by adding "Background info".. can someone explain these points? thanks . −SoapJar 22:26, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Here at AfD, we base arguments on actualities and not possibilities. If you are !voting based on the content of different and unrelated articles, perhaps you should read the aforementioned guideline and change your views accordingly or strike your original comment. SplashScreen (talk) 23:10, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Why to strike her comment? Isn't this discussion? A place where people express their opinion? — Tomica (talk) 23:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect to Love?, the album this song is from. Quoted sources in the article tend to be about the album rather than the song anyway.  The Steve  01:07, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Huh? The second paragraph in "music and lyrics" is about the album? The third paragraph is about specific songs on the album, including "Run the World", that are about her estranged husband. Statυs (talk) 01:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep: Might as well reply to the "concerns". First of all, the background section is a relevant piece of information. "It should not be assumed that the reader is familiar with the artist's history and/or previously released albums. If it's necessary to put these items into context for the reader to further his understanding of later content in the article, a background section is suggested." Love? was pushed back due to leaks and she then left her label. "Run the World" was then recorded with her new album. There are six reviews of the song. Information on the song being about her husband Marc, whom she separated from 2 months after the release of the album. Confusing lines about the original version of the song? It is clearly stated that Rick Ross was to be featured, and was removed at the last minute. Vibe is an urban magazine, and Vulture is owned by the New York Times. Unreliable? Ha! A song doesn't have to chart to be notable. Statυs (talk) 01:47, 11 July 2012 (UTC)