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Broken edit

Lovely, someone broke the page and left it like that. Whomever it was, undo it eh? Berym (talk) 05:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article for Republic City

Just like other Wikipedia TV show articles, the first episode is an article. So why can't The Legend of Korra have one! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.54.162 (talk) 12:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will write one now. Oxfordwang (talk) 23:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary

I've undone these edits because they are not improvements; instead, they noticeably decrease the quality of the plot summary. Errors include: "hideout" should be "hide" (a hideout is a noun, not a verb); "sends a wire" is unclear because it may be wireless telegraphy; "the Equalist’s airbase" should be "the Equalists' airbase"; "forced them to bloodbend to preserve his legacy" makes little sense; "forcing everyone to abandon his cause" can be understood to mean that they did in fact force everyone to do so (instead, it is only what they intend). "because of Naga and" should read "because of Naga, and". "After they free Tenzin’s family, Amon pursues and overpowers Mako and Korra" is poorly written because it is not clear that "they" refers to Mako and Korra.

There are also parts that just make little sense. A mention of the electric fence is superfluous because this gadget has no wider relevance to the plot. "Amon removes his mask" means little because the summary does not tell us what the audience sees.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but before you rewrite existing prose, you should first make sure that your edits are actually improvements. In this case, they are not. Sandstein 20:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New hierarchy (apparently)

The source I've added to the article says that Books will be grouped into Seasons. Hopefully this Friday's Comic-Con panel will clarify. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)^[1] 03:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But the creator Bryan Konietzko said that it was renewed for a Second Season (book 2) stated here. I have a feeling Entertainment Weekly doesn't know that each book is a separate season (like the first series). It was originally 12 episodes then Nick added 14 episode which is season 2 (book 2). I don't think we should edit the page until a final decision from Comic Con or Nick states otherwise. - Alec (talk) 06:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The source looks fine to me. A little clarification wouldn't hurt, but Konietzko's Tumblr post is over five months old. Things could very well have changed since then and EW has just gotten the jump on it. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 06:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Besides the fact that Nick promoted the final 2 episodes as the "Season Finale" not the "Season 1: Book 1" Finale. The article is rather poorly written (but understandable to an extent.... just look at the comments under the article) and we'll probably have to wait until Comic Con or a Nick Press Release to hear the final say. - Alec (talk) 07:08, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Konietzko confirmed it, and also revealed that books 3 and 4 will consist of 13 episodes each: http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/27078349740/im-sure-this-meme-is-dead-by-now-but-it-still In Donaldismo Veritas (talk) 22:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed redirection

As discussed in Talk:The Legend of Korra#Restructuring, now that we have the article The Legend of Korra (Book 1), I think that this list should redirect to The Legend of Korra (Book 1)#Episodes for the time being: It now consists only of a list that duplicates the list in that new article, and of delelopment information that belongs (or is already) in the main article or in The Legend of Korra (Book 2). As soon as we have an episode list for book 2, a separate combined list article makes sense again. What do others think? Sandstein 16:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said on the other page, now that I see your point I agree with redirecting so long as there isn't any other significant opposition. — Parent5446 ☯ ^{(msg email)} 16:44, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, re-redirecting again pending any objections. Sandstein 16:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This page still needs to exist, for the sake of simple convenience. Individual season articles should only be created when there is sufficient notability, which this seems to have. But the creation of those individual season article doesn't negate the existence of the main episode list page. Create the four individual season pages if you will, that's fine with me. But this page needs to stay and the episode information translucded to it. If you want to keep this re-directed until there is more information about Book 2, that's fine as well as long as you agree that this page be restored once that happens. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 06:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, we will need this list again as soon as we have episode information for Book 2. Sandstein 07:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't even see why the Seasons were split? There Everything should be on one List of Episodes page until at least Season 1 Book 2 is finished airing. It's way too early to have each "Book" split into each season then redirect and it's all confusing. There's no need to split each book into separate pages. Besides the fact that there wasn't even a proposal on this page which the Talk Page is where a "Slit" discussion is suppose to take place. - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 07:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing was split. Seasons (or books, in the case of this series) have information such as casting, production and reception associated with them that do not belong into this episode list. This list is only for listing all episodes of all books, and that makes only sense after more than one book has aired. Sandstein 07:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but each book is split. When I click on "List of Episodes" it's taking me to Season 1: Book 1 Air to the "Episodes" section. What was wrong with the way the page was before? It was just a list without it redirecting somewhere else. There was the summary at the top, the series overview, Book 1 air and the episodes and that's it. What's with all this redirecting? - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 07:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with it now? When you click on "List of Episodes", you get the list of episodes - they are all episodes of Book 1, so you find the list there. Sandstein 08:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: We don't usually include the production stuff, etc. on the list of episode pages anyway just the episodes. There's no reason to even have a The Legend of Korra (Book 1) page yet. It's way too early. All that production info can be listed on the main The Legend of Korra page. Let's change it back to this but remove anything that's not suppose to be on the "list of episodes page" shorten the summaries and we're good to go. - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 07:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, precisely because we don't include the production stuff on the episode list there is now an article for Book 1 to hold all that stuff. I don't understand why you think it is too early - book 1 has aired, and there's lots of information about its production and reception. Sandstein 08:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There actually is not a lot of info at all on the page. All production info and ratings can go on the main page (which is where more featured episode list pages have it anyway) and we can leave the episode list and upcoming info on the list of episode pages. The reason it's too early if you look at the Good Luck Charlie page I proposed, it did not get split as there's no reason too. You also mentioned on the "Restructuring" page about it looking like Game of Thrones, look at that page and look at the Korra page. One is done the right way, one isn't. There's a lot less info on the Korra page and it's really premature to the Game of Thrones page. Why didn't you open a discussion in the first place to even split the articles? Wikipedia isn't "my way or the highway". I agree production info, ratings, etc. don't need to be on the list of episodes page, but that can be stored on the main page until we have enough to split the books into pages where there will be enough to put there. There isn't nearly enough info on the page to even have the page. - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 09:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, 2 small paragraphs is not "lots" of info for production and there's one sentence for the ratings, awards, reception... that is NOT lots of information. - 50.36.95.22 (talk) 09:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: If you look at my test page, this is what the "List of Episodes" page should look like. I've modified it a tad to not include production information and the episode summaries should be shortened but this is what it should look like now. There's too little info on the (Book 1) page... especially if you're linking back to the main article anyway. It's premature (even if the first season has aired). - Alec (talk) 09:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the various WP:TV guidelines and look at other television series examples, you'll find that this is the exact opposite of what is done (and probably should be done). The episode list is usually reserved strictly for an overview of the series, i.e., a list of episodes as its namesake implies. Then the season articles are used to provide plot summary and individual season production information. Finally the main page is used to summarize the plot and production information and sum everything together into an overall look at the series itself. While I think maybe it might have been slightly premature to begin this split into season articles just now, there is nothing wrong with it and the current articles seem to be doing just fine. I applaud Sanstein for his boldness and willingness to actually put the work into making the split. — Parent5446 ☯ ^{(msg email)} 13:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What isn't done though is redirecting the episode list after season articles have been split out. The main list remains and the episode table is transcluded as happened with this edit, which results in the page looking like this. The process is detailed at Template:Episode list#Sublists. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Aussie on this. We need a "list of episodes" page regardless of there's a (Book 1) page or not. We should nnot be redirecting it to the (Book 1) episodes section but transcluded on the list of episodes page. - Alec (talk) 17:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am familiar with the process. If you look at the history for this article and the Book 1 article, you'll see that I changed it to use the Episode list/sublist template and transclusion as is done with the ATLA articles. The argument Sandstein is offering is that since there is only one season aired, and thus only one book article with a list, to have a separate episode list is redundant. The purpose of a general episode list is to bring together all the individual season articles and give an overview of the episode list, but there is no point in doing that for just one season. — Parent5446 ☯ ^{(msg email)} 18:36, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. There's just no point in duplicating content, and an episode list that would only consist of a duplication of the list in the Book 1 article, and nothing more, makes little sense to me. Sandstein 19:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The lead contains overview information that isn't in The Legend of Korra (Book 1) and which is useful to readers (I've never watched the show but I know a little bit about it because of what I've read in the lead). The same is true for the series overview and episode list sections, which contain information about seasons 1 & 2. Clearly there is opposition to the redirection as several editors have now reverted the redirection. Perhaps it's better just to leave it as per most other shows to avoid what are bound to be ongoing problems. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::::I am familiar with the process. If you look at the history for this article and the Book 1 article, you'll see that I changed it to use the Episode list/sublist template and transclusion as is done with the ATLA articles. The argument Sandstein is offering is that since there is only one season aired, and thus only one book article with a list, to have a separate episode list is redundant. The purpose of a general episode list is to bring together all the individual season articles and give an overview of the episode list, but there is no point in doing that for just one season. — [[User:Parent5446|Parent5446]] [[User talk:Parent5446|☯]] <sup class="plainlinks">([{{fullurl:User talk: Parent5446|action=edit&preload=User:Parent5446/MediaWiki/TalkPageMessage&section=new}} msg] [[Special:Emailuser/Parent5446|email]])</sup> 18:36, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 :::::::Exactly. There's just no point in duplicating content, and an episode list that would only consist of a duplication of the list in the Book 1 article, and nothing more, makes little sense to me. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<font style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Sandstein&nbsp;'''</font>]]</span></small> 19:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
+::::::::The lead contains overview information that isn't in [[The Legend of Korra (Book 1)]] and which is useful to readers (I've never watched the show but I know a little bit about it because of what I've read in the lead). The same is true for the series overview and episode list sections, which contain information about seasons 1 & 2. Clearly there is opposition to the redirection as several editors have now reverted the redirection. Perhaps it's better just to leave it as per most other shows to avoid what are bound to be ongoing problems. --[[User:AussieLegend|AussieLegend]] ([[User talk:AussieLegend|talk]]) 02:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)