Talk:Visa requirements for Taiwanese citizens

roc passport only no id card

how bout if you only have an roc passport with no roc id card, or compatriot permit? some overseas chinese only have roc passport and not entitled to roc id card, huko, or compatriot permit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CHESIMOR (talk • contribs) 06:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

My Corrections

• Countries/Regions that do not accept Republic of China passport is not necessary to be presented. besides the Visa-Access condition for Taiwanese is improving, Montenegro, Serbia do accept Taiwan passport.
• Hong Kong doesn't count for Visa-Free to Taiwanese! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorden Cheng (talk • contribs) 01:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
• For diplomatic/official passport is much less useful to the public readers of Wiki, as most ordinary citizens follow the usual rules other than government officials. who do gain more privileges. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorden Cheng (talk • contribs) 23:26, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

visa free

I personally think that HK and China can be considered as special cases for visa-free/visa-on-arrival because taiwan compatriot pass is considered as a valid travel document, in such case, this document does function as same as ROC passport. I think it is same, fundamentally. We can certainly add mark them, in different colour, if that can compromise both sides.

Malaysia should be categorized as visa free, in my opinion. "Visa-free" is advertised by both Taiwanese and Malaysian governments. The terminology is used on all official documents, media, and public publications. I certainly agree with Hmliaw's point that we can note it in the article but it is not necessary to put it on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.185.86.114 (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move. Energiya (talk) 02:14, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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Visa requirements for Republic of China citizens → Visa requirements for Taiwanese citizens – more common and precise name for the people of Taiwan. Base on

1. Most of the countries gives visa free regime to "Taiwanese citizens" not "ROC citizens".
2. The main article has been moved to Taiwan, Foreign relations of Taiwan.
3. Most of the visa free regimes here only for the people who with full citizenship of Taiwan (i.e. have Taiwanese National Identification Card number) [1]. The overseas Chinese holding Taiwanese passport are excluded.128.125.140.167 (talk) 17:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support. The relevant page on the U.S. consulate site uses "Taiwan" only. There is no mention of "Republic of China" or "ROC". Kauffner (talk) 23:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

• That's not a valid reason at all. Should we move this page to "Visa requirements for Chinese Taipei nationals" based on this? or "Visa requirements for Chinese residents of Taiwan" based on this? --Jiang (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Compare to Taiwan passport, which was recently moved with clear consensus. Some editors have maintained that governmental Taiwan topics should retain the state's official name, but the position has generally failed to gain traction in these discussions. --BDD (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
• Comment: The visa requirements listed on this page do not apply to everyone eligible to hold a Republic of China passport, but only those with a Republic of China National Identification Card, which is only issued to nationals who have household registration in Taiwan. Taiwan's laws make no mention of "citizenship"; household registration in Taiwan is "de facto citizenship" but this is not asserted in such simple terms by reliable sources. Countries that grant visa waivers to Taiwan passport holders usually require that a ID Card number be imprinted in the passport, limiting the benefits of visa-free travel to those with household registration in Taiwan, not to all ROC nationals (which legally include all PRC nationals and overseas Chinese). Neither "Republic of China citizens" not "Taiwanese citizens" successfully capture this distinction. Perhaps the term "Taiwanese citizens" is internally consistent with other Wikipedia articles, but no such thing exists as a matter of law. --Jiang (talk) 06:27, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

• Further comment: The most helpful version of this article for readers would be a move to "Visa requirements for Republic of China nationals" juxtaposing requirements for ROC passport numbers with ID numbers with those without, i.e., and a third column to the table. This would require going to each entry such as this one looking for the existence of the text "for holders of Chinese Taipei passports, provided passport includes a Personal ID number" to see if the requirements differ. --Jiang (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support. "Taiwanese citizens" is a more clearer and concise name for the content in this article. Agree with the reason listed in the moving request. While the Visa requirements for Chinese citizens page also exist in the country's common name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fizikanauk (talk • contribs) 00:00, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. There is no country government by the name Taiwan. Ambiguities are dealt with by hatnotes and redirects, not titles. 110.4.4.114 (talk) 10:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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