User talk:Shalmani

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Cleaned up

User:Shalmani, we have given you a lot of time and space but there has to be a limit. I have cleaned up the article on Shilmani, removing all the bias, original research and personal opinions. If you want to boast about your tribe, kindly do it on your personal website at iwarp.com, but not here. If you want to include the idea that a mountain in Egypt is linked to a man in Libya and a river in Iran and to your tribe, then you will need a reliable source. Please note that your own website does not count as a reliable source, and neither does a discussion forum for Jewish names. If you look at that website (hebrewsurnames.com), you will see that they clearly notify readers that they are not an academic or scientific website and that everything on their website is purely "to express and discuss the familiar traditions". I strongly suggest you click on each of the links in the previous sentences and read thoroughly about why your approach to editing is unacceptable. If you wish to make a positive contribution, please feel free to edit within the guidelines. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my talkpage. Green Giant (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your message on my talkpage. Basically all Wikipedia editors must abide by three simple rules:

• Verifiability → we do not define if something is true or false, simply that it is verifiable
• Reliable sources → this means we should avoid obscure books that few people might have access to, books and webpages written in a biased way (which can be posiive bias or negative bias), word-of-mouth (for example don't add something to an article just because you heard it from someone who said they knew what they were talking about)
• Neutrality → this means being neither against or in favour of the subject of the article; statements that come to mind are things like saying "However Shalmani tribe is the only tribe, who have bright history.We are sons of Prophet Suleman and King Solomon, and that is enough for us".

I would also recommend you stop adding non-English text because as this is English Wikipedia, so we do not need so much of it here. Green Giant (talk) 02:31, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Help me

Please anybody

in Shilmani article to make it complying with Wikipedia guidlines. I hope for your highlights and proper guidlines. I have to save my article and need your help.

I have searched for reliable sources for Shilmani and have found a small number, which you could use in the article:

• Pete Heiden (2012). "Pakistan". ABDO Publishing Company. p. 75. - which mentions the tribe as being part of the tribal areas;
• Christian Tripodi (2011). "Edge of Empire: The British Political Officer and Tribal Administration on the North-West Frontier 1877-1947". Ashgate Publishing. p. 206. - which mentions a telegram sent by the Shilmani and other tribes during World War 2;
• H.A. Rose (1997). "A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province". Nirmal Publishers. - which describes an early 20th century view of the tribe
• "A Glossary of the Tribes & Castes of the Punjab & North-west Frontier Province: Based on the Census Report for the Punjab, 1883, by the Late Sir Denzil Ibbetson ... & the Census Report for the Punjab, 1892, by Sir Edward Maclagan ... & Comp. by H.A. Rose". Superintendent, government printing, Punjab. 1914. - which is based on the above book
• "Tribe: Mohmand" (PDF). U.S. Naval Postgraduate School. - which mentions the Shilman valley

This should be enough to get the article on the right track, and hopefully there will be more. Green Giant (talk) 17:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)