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June 2014

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Manosphere, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Do not remove sourced material. Per WP:BRD, is you have a problem with material in the article, and have been reverted after boldly removing such material, bring the issue to the Talk page. It's not WP:BRRR, it's BRD. Dave Dial (talk) 04:07, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Let me add that the section you removed states:

Some of these forums have been described in the media and by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as promoting a misogynistic worldview, particularly concerning issues relating to sexual abuse and domestic violence.

SPLC states:

The so-called “manosphere” is peopled with hundreds of websites, blogs and forums dedicated to savaging feminists in particular and women, very typically American women,...they are almost all thick with misogynistic attacks that can be astounding for the guttural hatred they express.

You cannot read the descriptions that SPLC provides of the 10 or so(Alcuin,Boycott American Women,The Counter Feminist,The False Rape Society,In Mala Fide,MarkyMark’s Thoughts,MensActivism,Reddit: Mens Rights,RooshV,SAVE Services,The Spearhead,A Voice for Men) sites and NOT see they mention topics relating to sex abuse and domestic violence. You cannot. And the other source mentions them too. Stop edit warring to remove sourced material. Dave Dial (talk) 04:17, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

The topics are mentioned, in cherry-picked quotes from individual blogs, and the SPLC makes no general statement about them that is remotely similar to what is in the Wiki article. Even if it did, it shouldn't be in the opening paragraph when there's a critcism section. Nevertheless I'll leave it alone and let other editors deal with it, I've made my point and I highly doubt that article will stand up long-term reading like a Jezebel article.

I've re-removed the unsourced and inaccurate line about Elliot Rodger posting to manosphere sites.

The portion about Rodgers I'm not informed enough about. But the portion concerning the SPLC and the description is clear. They outline in each description of each site, and the overwhelming issues being discussed are sexual abuse and domestic violence. A few examples:

Rape is now a political crime, not a crime of sex or violence. A man doesn’t have to rape in order to be a rapist. A man is a rapist until he somehow proves himself innocent.”

And:

The False Rape Society is an Internet news aggregator, subtitled “Community of the Falsely Accused,” that features stories about allegedly false rape accusations and “feminist”-crafted “anti-male” legislation.

Rape is sexual abuse.

The acronym in SAVE Services stands for Stop Abusive and Violent Environments; “Protecting Victims, Stopping False Allegations, Ending Abuse” is its tagline. In practice, that means lobbying to roll back services for victims of domestic abuse and penalties for their tormentors, while working to return the focus to the “true victims of abuse” — the falsely accused. The site trumpets as a “key fact” that “[f]emale initiation of partner violence is the leading reason for the woman becoming a victim of subsequent violence,” even though a study shows that approximately twice as many women as men are injured during incidents of domestic violence.

Domestic violence.

So I do not understand how one can claim that this:

Some of these forums have been described in the media and by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as promoting a misogynistic worldview, particularly concerning issues relating to sexual abuse and domestic violence.

does not reflect the source. You are welcome to move this discussion over to the Talk page if you still disagree. Dave Dial (talk) 05:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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