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Marian Lutosławski

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• ... that the Polish inventor and bridge designer Marian Lutosławski (pictured) was executed by the Bolsheviks several days before his show trial on drummed up charges was supposed to take place?

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Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nominated at 22:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

• The article is new and long enough. QPQ done. The nationality of this person is described in the infobox and in the first sentence of the article as Polish. In the first sentence Polish is wikilinked to Poland. If Poland did not exist until the end of 1918 this person could not have Polish nationality. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

You brought up an interesting point, because denying anyone their nationality due to foreign occupation of their homeland is against almost everything we do here in Wikipedia probably. For example, a Greek born under the Nazi occupation of Greece could also be categorized as German-born even if he never spoke German. Ultimately, nationality of notable people is defined not by the politics, but by the language and culture they identify themselves with. Poeticbent talk 15:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was not occupied but partitioned. You obviously refer to nationality as an alternate word for ethnicity. If that is so, it would be good to clarify it in the text of the article. With the current text of the article readers could be mislead to believe that this man was Polish citizen who lived in Poland which did not exist during his lifetime. Also, per WP:OPENPARAGRAPH, "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.".--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

How about a simple WP:Duck test. If Lutosławski along with his entire family spoke Polish, wrote in Polish, and helped in the struggle for the return of Poland's sovereignty, who was he? Poeticbent talk 16:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see my comment at Marian Lutosławski, the "{{subst:DYK?}}" you left there I believe, does not make it a valid QPQ per our own reviewing guide. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 16:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• How about a simple Post Office test. A post office building was built in Sarajevo in 1913 in Bosnia and Herzegovina annexed by Austria Hungary at the end of . At the beginning of the Yugoslav Wars somebody wrote "This is Serbia!" on the wall of the post office. Very soon this inscription was strike trough and somebody wrote, "This is Bosnia!". After some time somebody wrote: "This is post office!"
• To answer to your Duck test question: Marian Lutosławski was a mechanical engineer.
• It is wrong to overemphasize his Polishness in the first sentence.
  1. If it refers to his citizenship, it is wrong and can mislead readers to believe that Poland existed, although Poland did not exist during his lifetime.
  2. If it refers to his ethnicity, it violates WP:OPENPARAGRAPH.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)