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Quackwatch is used extensively as a source for this article. Quackwatch is a one man effort, run by an old man, a long-retired doctor, with an axe to grind (IMO), who is out of touch with modern medicine. For example, I had an argument by email with him years ago when he was still insisting that [[Chronic Fatigue Syndrome]] was a scam (I was a sufferer). It has since gained wide acceptance amongst doctors as a valid condition. So since when has it become allowable, or in any way sensible, to use low quality personal sites (essentially blogs) like Quackwatch as sources for medically-oriented articles? [[User:MLPainless|MLPainless]] ([[User talk:MLPainless|talk]]) 13:03, 8 December 2014 (UTC) |
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Unsubstantiated Statement
The last sentence of the first paragraph,
The medical community rejects it, as it is an "outmoded approach" lacking evidence and efficacy
is based upon a one page, non-refereed editorial [read here], which per se has only took up "Feingold diet" as one of examples of the so-called outmoded approaches. There is no evidence in this editorial to support the statement "the medical community rejects it."
Thus I deleted that sentence. Any reversal of this deletion is improper unless strong evidence is provided. Minimeme (talk) 19:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, the focus should be on WP:MEDRS. Seems like it is an attempt at WP:ASSERT. Perhaps a bad one? --Ronz (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- So what's your point to reverse it? As the cited reference has barely anything to support the statement and you didn't provide any better source, may I consider your reverse as vandalism?
- The preceding sentence, there has been much debate about the efficacy of this program, is in direct contradiction to this statement. The main text of this entry supports this argument of "there has been much debate," instead of outright rejection of Feingold diet.
- Thus I reverse it back. Minimeme (talk) 18:27, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Do you understand MEDRS? ASSERT? --Ronz (talk) 00:48, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thus I reverse it back. Minimeme (talk) 18:27, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
"Research findings" section?
This "Research findings" section, tagged as being possible OR since 2007 (!), seems composed almost entirely of primary sources and, whre it isn't, out of sources which do not explictly mention the Feingold diet. All of our health content should now be sourced to WP:MEDRS sources. I am moving this content here for possible discussion, in case anything is salvagable:
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Research findings
Many studies show that 70% or more of hyperactive children respond positively to the removal of synthetic additives, especially when salicylates or allergens are removed.[1][2] There is controversy, however, over what happens when researchers take children whose behavior has improved on a diet that eliminates several thousand additives, and then challenge them with one or a few additives, usually synthetic colors. Especially in the early studies, if such a challenge did not produce a change in behavior, researchers often concluded that the diet had not directly caused the initial improvement in behavior. Rather, the assumption was that the improvement had been due to a placebo effect. There are other possible reasons for the failure of a challenge to evoke a response, however. For example, the amount of additive used as a challenge might have been too small to cause an effect.[3] Rowe & Rowe in 1994 found a dose-related effect; the higher the amount of coloring used in the double-blind challenge, the stronger (and longer) the reaction of the children.[1] The following chart lists the amount of coloring used in various studies along with the rate of response:
Considering that in 1976 an FDA scientist estimated that children may be consuming up to 315 mg food dye per day,[13] all the above studies appear to be overly conservative in their choice of challenge amounts. In addition, the effect of an additive might only be seen in synergy with other additives or foods,[14] [15] or the additive used for the challenge may simply not be among those causing the original effect.[13] Early studiesAs with many new developments, the first reports of improvement of behavior via diet were anecdotal. This was followed by clinical trials and eventually by larger, double-blind placebo-controlled studies. Conners, Williams, & Swanson studies ...In 1976, a double-blind crossover diet trial found that both parents and teachers saw fewer hyperkinetic symptoms on the K-P diet as compared to the pretreatment baseline.[16] A 1978 double-blind crossover study using cookies with 13 mg food dye each combined with either medication or placebo found, "The results of this study offer data that a diet free of artificial flavors and colors results in a reduction of symptoms in some hyperactive children."[17] In 1980, forty children were put on a diet free of artificial food dyes and other additives for five days. They then performed the usual double-blind placebo-controlled test but used 100 mg or 150 mg of the food dye mix. They found that the food dyes impaired the performance of the 20 hyperactive children on paired-associate learning tests. The dyes did not hurt the performance of the 20 non-hyperactive children. The study states: "Our data suggest that a large dose of food dye blend decreases attention span in hyperactive children as reflected by performance on the learning test."[18] Nuttition Foundation studies ...In 1980, the Nutrition Foundation [19] reported on the seven small studies they had funded, adding up to a total of 190 children. Some of them were elaborate double-blind diet studies using a Feingold-type diet for which they provided all the food. Others simply took the children off additives and then challenged them with a small amount of food dye. In some studies, the children were taken off their medication, while in others they continued on stimulant medications including artificial colorants during the duration of the study. One of the studies in 1978,[20] for example, used 36 children between 6 and 12, and 10 children between 3 and 5. The teachers of the school-aged children did not record any improvement, but 63% of the mothers reported improved behavior, as well as 100% of the mothers of the preschoolers; however, since the improvement was reported by the parents of the children rather than teachers, and locomotor activity tests were unaffected, it was reported that there was "no diet effect." In 1980 the Nutrition Foundation set up a review team to review studies related to the Feingold diet.[21] They published a report that stated that there was no response at all to the diet. In 1983, the review team's co-chairman and a colleague reviewed a variety of studies and concluded that no more than 2% of children respond adversely to dye additives.[22] Gross et al summer camp study ...An influential comparative diet study was conducted in 1987 by Gross et al.[23] This was a study of 39 children, of whom 18 were hyperactive, and the balance had other learning disorders. Of those 18, all but one were on behavior-modifying medications during the entire study. The researchers provided a Feingold-type diet for a single week that was, by their own description, unpalatable. They particularly noted that the children missed mustard and ketchup; mustard, however, is not eliminated by the Feingold diet, and no reason was given for its exclusion. This diet week was followed by an additive-rich diet the next week. Although the study reported that the camp director and all teachers felt that the children were noisier and more active during the second, additive-rich week, they discounted these observations in favor of filmed 4-minute sequences made during meals. These films were intended to measure reaction to additives in the meals in spite of the fact that any such reaction would not be expected to occur for some time after eating. During the course of the study, three children were dropped: one who was not on stimulant medication, whose behavior became worse during the second week; one who refused to behave altogether; and one whose dose of Cylert became "inadequate" and whose behavior worsened when additives were allowed during the second week. They concluded that the "Feingold diet has no beneficial effect on most children with learning disorders" and moreover that the diet was "distasteful to the typical American child." Later studiesA number of studies conducted since 1980 using diets similar to the Feingold Program report greater than 70% of children responding positively to the diets. Others that eliminated synthetic colors and flavors, but included salicylates still reported greater than 50% positive response.[1][2][9][10] [12][24][25][26][27] In the biggest such study ever performed, published in 1986, the performance of over a million children in 803 New York City public schools was studied for seven years. The children's average standardized test scores rose 8.1% when levels of sucrose (normal table sugar) were restricted to 11 percent along with the removal of two synthetic food colors; when the remaining food colors and all artificial flavors were removed the next academic year, performance rose another 3.8%; when no further changes were made the following academic year, test performance also remained stable; finally, when the petroleum-based preservatives BHT and BHA were removed from the menu in the next academic year, performance improved another 3.7% for an overall improvement of 15.7% in mean national percentile rankings (from 39.2% to 54.9%).[28] Although it appears that improvement increases as the diet approaches the guidelines of the Feingold Program, the researchers suggest that by removing sugar and additives - thereby removing empty calories and processed foods - malnutrition is reduced. It is not clear what portion of the effects can be contributed to limiting sugar intake or the foods containing BHT and BHA (the related preservative TBHQ did not exist at that time) and what portion can be attributed to the removal of the artificial colorants themselves. A most important and often overlooked detail in this study is that all the children did not improve equally. There was a dramatic decline in learning disabled and repeat-failure children. In 1979, 12.4% of the million children were performing two or more grades below their proper level. By the end of the study in 1983, the percent of children two or more grades below proper level had dropped to 4.9%. Moreover, before the dietary changes, the more school food that was consumed, the worse the children did academically. After the changes, however, the more school food the children ate, the better they did academically.[29] In 1997, an association between brain electrical activity and intake of provoking foods was shown in children with food-induced ADHD. (Picture) [30] Another study showed that an oligoantigenic diet can work as well as Ritalin for conduct-disordered children.[31] Other research demonstrated the positive effect of treating young criminals with dietary intervention and correction of mineral imbalances,[32][33] and that toddlers show both significant reductions in hyperactive behaviour when additives are removed from their diet, as well as increased hyperactivity when exposed to a very small (20 mg) amount of food coloring and a benzoate preservative. This effect was observed by parents whether or not the child was hyperactive or atopic.[34] A 2007 British study at the University of Southampton[35] has pointed to food additives as a health hazard for all children, whether they have ADHD or not. The study concluded that artificial colors or a sodium benzoate preservative (or both) in the diet result in increased hyperactivity in 3-year-old and 8/9-year-old children in the general population. In response to this study and a massive media and grass-roots campaign, the major supermarket chains in the UK have removed additives from their house brands. Several American-based candy companies have done the same with the candies they sell in the UK. In response to that study, which had been financed by Britain’s Food Standards Agency and published online by the British medical journal The Lancet, the American Academy of Pediatrics concluded that a low-additive diet is a valid intervention for children with ADHD. It released the following statement in the February 2008 issue of its publication, AAP Grand Rounds:
Anne Swain, of the Allergy Unit at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney Australia, measured amounts (but not type) of salicylate in 333 foods in 1985,[36] and has done other research based on the Feingold Diet.[37] References
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Discussion
Using Quackwatch as a source
Quackwatch is used extensively as a source for this article. Quackwatch is a one man effort, run by an old man, a long-retired doctor, with an axe to grind (IMO), who is out of touch with modern medicine. For example, I had an argument by email with him years ago when he was still insisting that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome was a scam (I was a sufferer). It has since gained wide acceptance amongst doctors as a valid condition. So since when has it become allowable, or in any way sensible, to use low quality personal sites (essentially blogs) like Quackwatch as sources for medically-oriented articles? MLPainless (talk) 13:03, 8 December 2014 (UTC)