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There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Central Greece Periphery - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 14:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 February 2015

Requested move 24 February 2015

The request to rename this article to Western Greece has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

West Greece → Western Greece
West Macedonia → Western Macedonia
East Macedonia and Thrace → Eastern Macedonia and Thrace
North Aegean → Northern Aegean
South Aegean → Southern Aegean

– In an 2011 discussion it was deemed that neither of the two variants were dominant with "West Greece" etc. sounding "more official". In the meantime this however turned out not to be the case with "Western Greece" being both the official English name (see logo, homepage of the administration, but also University of Western Greece) and the clearly dominant name used by third parties (see for example the EU NSRF programme). It is therefore clearly the WP:COMMONNAME. Note that the relevant (sub-)categories have to be renamed accordingly. PanchoS (talk) 09:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

if this goes through, however, we'd also need to change West Macedonia, East Macedonia and Thrace, South Aegean and North Aegean, as well as a host of related categories, for consistency within the topic. This should be borne in mind when voting. Constantine ✍ 17:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC) Place Clichy (talk) 19:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per sources, I guess Red Slash 16:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as well, although to be perfectly honest, it's pretty much the same to me. Constantine ✍ 17:27, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment if this goes through, however, we'd also need to change West Macedonia, East Macedonia and Thrace, South Aegean and North Aegean, as well as a host of related categories, for consistency within the topic. This should be borne in mind when voting. Constantine ✍ 17:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - I tried to edit the requested move box, it's supposed to notify automatically the other pages, I hope it works. As far as offical websites go: South Aegean does not have an English version; North Aegean does not have an English version but has a banner saying North Aegean islands; East Macedonia and Thrace does not have an English version; West Macedonia does not have an English version either. However, Invest in Greece uses Western Greece but West/East Macedonia, North/South Aegean and Central Greece/Macedonia. Place Clichy (talk) 19:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I agree with the rationale provided by the nominator. RGloucester — ☎ 02:38, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support At first I saw that the official website of the institution does not seem to have an English version, and that it should not be confused with the website of the pre-2010 unelected government administration though, which used Western Greece. Also, the University of Western Greece is not really related to what would be the English name of the region's administration, a bit like George Washington University is located in a city called Washington, not George Washington, or the French Charentes-Poitou butter produced in the Poitou-Charentes region. However, the region's website uses Western Greece on a subpage, with an English logo Region of Western Greece, full of contrast! Looking up the logo, I found two news pieces (el [1]) introducing the "new brand" and the logo, so I guess we can say it has official value. Place Clichy (talk) 19:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 == Requested move 21 February 2015 ==
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-{{requested move/dated|Western Greece}}
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+|current1=West Greece|new1=Western Greece|current2=West Macedonia|new2=Western Macedonia|current3=East Macedonia and Thrace|new3=Eastern Macedonia and Thrace|current4=North Aegean|new4=Northern Aegean|current5=South Aegean|new5=Southern Aegean|}}
+* [[:West Greece]] → {{no redirect|Western Greece}}
+* [[:West Macedonia]] → {{no redirect|Western Macedonia}}
+* [[:East Macedonia and Thrace]] → {{no redirect|Eastern Macedonia and Thrace}}
+* [[:North Aegean]] → {{no redirect|Northern Aegean}}
+* [[:South Aegean]] → {{no redirect|Southern Aegean}}
+– In an [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece/Archive 4#North-South-East-West|2011 discussion]] it was deemed that neither of the two variants were dominant with "West Greece" etc. sounding "more official". In the meantime this however turned out not to be the case with "Western Greece" being both the official English name (see logo, homepage of the administration, but also [[University of Western Greece]]) and the clearly dominant name used by third parties (see for example the [http://www.dytikiellada-peloponnisos-ionio.gr/en/Pages/IMAWesternGreece.aspx EU NSRF programme]). It is therefore clearly the [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Note that the relevant (sub-)categories have to be renamed accordingly. [[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 09:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
+:if this goes through, however, we'd also need to change [[West Macedonia]], [[East Macedonia and Thrace]], [[South Aegean]] and [[North Aegean]], as well as a host of related categories, for consistency within the topic. This should be borne in mind when voting. [[User:Cplakidas|Constantine]]  [[User talk:Cplakidas| ✍ ]] 17:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC) [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 19:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
-[[:West Greece]] → {{no redirect|Western Greece}} – In an [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece/Archive 4#North-South-East-West|2011 discussion]] it was deemed that neither of the two variants were dominant with "West Greece" etc. sounding "more official". In the meantime this however turned out not to be the case with "Western Greece" being both the official English name (see logo, homepage of the administration, but also [[University of Western Greece]]) and the clearly dominant name used by third parties (see for example the [http://www.dytikiellada-peloponnisos-ionio.gr/en/Pages/IMAWesternGreece.aspx EU NSRF programme]). It is therefore clearly the [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Note that the relevant (sub-)categories have to be renamed accordingly. [[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 09:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 *'''Support''' per sources, I guess [[User:Red Slash|<font color="#FF4131">Red </font>]][[User talk:Red Slash|<b><font color="#460121">Slash</font></b>]] 16:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 *'''Support''', as well, although to be perfectly honest, it's pretty much the same to me. [[User:Cplakidas|Constantine]]  [[User talk:Cplakidas| ✍ ]] 17:27, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 **'''Comment''' if this goes through, however, we'd also need to change [[West Macedonia]], [[East Macedonia and Thrace]], [[South Aegean]] and [[North Aegean]], as well as a host of related categories, for consistency within the topic. This should be borne in mind when voting. [[User:Cplakidas|Constantine]]  [[User talk:Cplakidas| ✍ ]] 17:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
+*** I tried to edit the requested move box, it's supposed to notify automatically the other pages, I hope it works. As far as offical websites go: [http://www.pnai.gov.gr/ South Aegean] does not have an English version; [http://www.pvaigaiou.gov.gr/ North Aegean] does not have an English version but has a banner saying ''North Aegean islands''; [http://www.pamth.gov.gr/ East Macedonia and Thrace] does not have an English version; [http://www.pdm.gov.gr/ West Macedonia] does not have an English version either. However, [http://www.investingreece.gov.gr/default.asp?pid=12&la=1 Invest in Greece] uses ''Western Greece'' but ''West/East Macedonia'', ''North/South Aegean'' and ''Central Greece/Macedonia''. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 19:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 *'''Support''' – I agree with the rationale provided by the nominator. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 02:38, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
+* '''Support''' At first I saw that the [http://www.pde.gov.gr/ official website] of the institution does not seem to have an English version, and that it should not be confused with the website of the [http://www.westerngreece.gr/en/index.php pre-2010 unelected government administration] though, which used ''Western Greece''. Also, the ''University of Western Greece'' is not really related to what would be the English name of the region's administration, a bit like [[George Washington University]] is located in a city called [[Washington, D.C.|Washington]], not ''George Washington'', or the French [[:fr:Beurre Charentes-Poitou|Charentes-Poitou]] butter produced in the [[Poitou-Charentes]] region. However, the region's website uses ''Western Greece'' on a [http://europedirect.pde.gov.gr/en/ subpage], with an English logo ''Region of Western Greece, full of contrast!'' Looking up the logo, I found two news pieces ([http://e-travelnews.blogspot.fr/2012/12/brand-full-of-contrast.html el] [http://news.gtp.gr/2013/04/16/region-of-western-greece-announces-actions-for-tourism-promotion/en]) introducing the "new brand" and the logo, so I guess we can say it has official value. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 19:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)