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Chicken parmigiana

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Article is heavily slanted towards Australia despite the dish not being Australian in origin (it was created as a variation of the older eggplant dish by Italian immigrants who came to the United States), and much of the information on the dish can be found in the parmigiana article ANDROS¹³³⁷ _TALK 18:19, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Significant dish in Australia - one of the best known meals, and well sourced. If there is material available to expand outside of the Australian region (noting that there is some coverage of such already, with articles describing other regional dishes) then it can be added. Merging with Parmigiana, a different dish, would result in undue coverage of a single regional meal. - Bilby (talk) 18:29, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But the dish is far more popular in the United States than it is in Australia, since practically every major Italian restaurant serves it (as do most family-owned Italian restaurants). In Australia it seems its popularity is more spotty. ANDROS¹³³⁷ _TALK 18:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If it is the same dish, you are more than welcome to expand the article to match. It would be great to see the content further developed. - Bilby (talk) 18:50, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just the same dish, it's American in origin. oknazevad (talk) 23:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Add that. I have no problem with more detail at all. :) - Bilby (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How popular is this dish really in Australia? Is it found exclusively in Italian restaurants, as in the United States, as suggested by a fellow editor? Or is it served in some mainstream Australian restaurants like some of the references hinted at? Why are there websites for Aussie expats on how to find Aussie style chicken parm in London? Is the dish as popular as chicken fingers? 64.134.34.28 (talk)

There was no suggestion that it is found exclusively in Italian restaurants in the U.S. Andros was noting that every Italian restaurant serves it, both major chains and small family owned joints. I'm the one who noted that it's so common that diners almost always have it. oknazevad (talk) 04:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is one of the most common pub meals in Australia. With that said, if it is common (or even more common) elsewhere, we should expand the article to cover other regions where it is served. I don't understand the argument that because it is available in many countries we need to delete the article. If it is available in many countries, we need to cover that as well. - Bilby (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can all agree that chicken parmigiana is not uncommon in both North America and Australia and can be found in non-Italian restaurants. Should chicken parmigiana be lumped with all of the other variants? Unlike chicken, I have hardly seen either veal or eggplant being served outside of an Italian restaurant. Yet, I have even seen hamburger parmigiana (i.e., pizza cheese and sauce over breaded hamburger patties) being served at school cafeterias, but not in any kind of restaurant that I have seen (yet the U.S. Army does have a recipe that can serve large groups [1]. yes, the Army does have a recipe for the chicken variant [2]). If I go to the frozen food section of the nearest Ralphs or Kroger supermarket, I can find nearly half-a-dozen varieties of chicken parmigiana (Healthy Choice, Marie Callender's, Smart Ones, etc.) but one eggplant (Michael Angelos) and no veal. I think chicken is so common outside of Italian communities that it has been adopted by the mainstream culture like pizza and burritos while veal and eggplant is relegated to more ethnic Italian outlets, at least in the U.S. 108.71.214.235 (talk) 08:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are plenty of reliable sources identifying it as a distinctive dish. Any Australian bias can be toned down. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 18:31, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So, should we also make a veal parmigiana article? Veal parmigiana, while less popular than chicken or eggplant parmigiana in the United States and Australia, is very popular in South America. ANDROS¹³³⁷ _TALK 18:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article about the South American version of veal parmigiana called Milanesa. Should that article also be merged into parmigiana? I suggest Keep. 64.134.34.28 (talk) 01:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 18:46, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It just needs fleshing out on the dish's importance in other regions. Fuzchia (talk) 22:38, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (back) to parmigiana. Was forked off, but given an overly Australian slant. Notably the common abbreviated name chicken parm has always been a redirect to parmigiana, as this article had been until it was split based on flimsy reasoning, with only a few editors filibustering any merger discussion, well overstating its supposed national importance (which isn't really supported by the sources), as it's not Aussie in origin, nor it isn't as ubiquitous as they claim (which is what the sources actually say), nor is it any way, shape, or form particular to Australia (any diner in the U.S. will have it on their menu, and it remains a very popular dish), nor is is it really distinct from the veal or eggplant versions (parmigiana is a method of preparation; the filling can vary, but it's still breaded, fried, then baked with tomato sauce and cheese.) In short, it shouldn't be a separate article. oknazevad (talk) 23:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: to parmigiana per the detailed analysis above. Who knew chicken parm could inspire such passionate debate. Vrac (talk) 02:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agreed that it need to be fleshed out more. 64.134.34.28 (talk)
Keep It is independently notable as a distinctive dish. As an aside, I think it would be very difficult to find a pub in Australia which does not sell it; hence the current Australian slant to the article. That means the other sections need fleshing out. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as this seems acceptable and I'm not seeing any serious need for deletion. SwisterTwister talk 05:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep without prejudice about merging it to parmigiana, per the comments made above. The bias towards the dish in Australia can be responded to by expansion of the other sections, rather than article deletion. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 15:55, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Keep''' It is independently notable as a distinctive dish. As an aside, I think it would be very difficult to find a pub in Australia which does not sell it; hence the current Australian slant to the article. That means the other sections need fleshing out. [[User:Athomeinkobe|AtHomeIn神戸]] ([[User talk:Athomeinkobe|talk]]) 01:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' as this seems acceptable and I'm not seeing any serious need for deletion. [[User:SwisterTwister|<font color="green">SwisterTwister</font>]] [[User talk:SwisterTwister|<font color="green">talk</font>]] 05:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' without prejudice about merging it to [[parmigiana]], per the comments made above. The bias towards the dish in Australia can be responded to by expansion of the other sections, rather than article deletion. [[User:Thine Antique Pen|Thine Antique Pen]] ([[User talk:Thine Antique Pen|talk]]) 15:55, 29 September 2015 (UTC)