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Eagerly awaiting you answer to my question, [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 18:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
Eagerly awaiting you answer to my question, [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 18:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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:You are harrassing me. Your comments are not welcome here. Leave me alone. [[User:Right Hand Drive|Right Hand Drive]] ([[User talk:Right Hand Drive#top|talk]]) 19:03, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
:You are harrassing me. Your comments are not welcome here. Leave me alone. [[User:Right Hand Drive|Right Hand Drive]] ([[User talk:Right Hand Drive#top|talk]]) 19:03, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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::I understand. I won't contact you anymore. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 20:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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Debbie Does Dallas
Your conduct at Debbie Does Dallas is currently being investigated at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editor_and_a_possible_sock_embedding_hardcore_porn_in_Wikipedia_article. Betty Logan (talk) 07:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- My conduct? What do you think I have done wrong? Right Hand Drive (talk) 21:17, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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I tried to make a statement at the link above but there didn't seem to be any way for me to edit the page. What I am doing wrong? Right Hand Drive (talk) 21:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- Next to the section header "Editor and a possible sock embedding hardcore porn in Wikipedia article", there should be an (edit) link. Click that to edit the page. Primefac (talk) 21:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- There isn't an edit link. Right Hand Drive (talk) 21:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- In regards to the RFC you have started at Talk:A Free Ride, I think you should go through all the relevant recent discussions about DDD and notify the participants about the RFC, if your intention is to use the result there as a precedent for DDD. If different discussions at the different forums reach different conclusions then the consensus will not be clear, so the opinions need to be collected in one place if the result is to be in any way binding. Betty Logan (talk) 02:26, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- I hope that the result of the Rfc provides guidance for similar situations, but I wouldn't expect it to be binding. I will leave a note about the RfC so that anyone still interested in those discussions will see it. As far as I am concerned, those other discussions are dead and nothing even remotely approaching consensus was seen. Thanks for the suggestion. Right Hand Drive (talk) 04:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- Well, it will be binding for me. Pornographic content should be treated consistently, so by that rationale it should be permissable to embed it or all of it should be removed. If the outcome at the RFC favors rentention I will withdraw my opposition to embedding the video at DDD. That said, I would still favor retaining the external link regardless of the outcome since not everyone can play flash videos if they don't install the plugin; any editor can still download it from Commons though if the link is provided. Betty Logan (talk) 04:39, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- If the result of the RfC is that the movie is removed from A Free Ride, I will not make any further case at Debbie Does Dallas. I just mean that I don't expect the RfC to apply to Debbie Does Dallas without further discussion there. I see your point about people without plugins and I agree that the link serves a purpose even if the video is embedded. Right Hand Drive (talk) 04:50, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- By the way, while I was researching the PD status of a few more hardcore titles I came across this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/11/wikipedia_search_engine/ Betty Logan (talk) 07:43, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- If the result of the RfC is that the movie is removed from A Free Ride, I will not make any further case at Debbie Does Dallas. I just mean that I don't expect the RfC to apply to Debbie Does Dallas without further discussion there. I see your point about people without plugins and I agree that the link serves a purpose even if the video is embedded. Right Hand Drive (talk) 04:50, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- Well, it will be binding for me. Pornographic content should be treated consistently, so by that rationale it should be permissable to embed it or all of it should be removed. If the outcome at the RFC favors rentention I will withdraw my opposition to embedding the video at DDD. That said, I would still favor retaining the external link regardless of the outcome since not everyone can play flash videos if they don't install the plugin; any editor can still download it from Commons though if the link is provided. Betty Logan (talk) 04:39, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Closing DDD RfC
This seems inappropriate. There were several threads about Debbie Does Dallas. You then started an RfC about a different article, and using that RfC to stop discussion of the Debbie Does Dallas RfC? Express your opinion that there shouldn't be an RfC, but don't just shut it down. Your RfC doesn't even ask a general question about embedding such videos -- it's specific to that article. It leaves open a very obvious argument that A Free Ride, being from the early days of cinema, is historically significant while DDD is not (as well as a host of other comparisons between A Free Ride and other articles where people may object to a video being embedded). In other words, the RfC you started doesn't settle the issue, and as DDD was the original topic of debate, if one thread is going to continue it should be that one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- I am sure you will agree that the situations are extremely similar. That RfD was started first and has been publicized in the other discussions. The result of the A Free Ride RfC (whichever way it turns out) will guide what happens on Debbie Does Dallas, although I'm sure another RfD will be required if the consensus is to include A Free Ride. When I saw the way the new RfC was starting, I closed it and left a message for the editor who started it. If they object to my closure, they can re-open it, although I suspect that they will understand that it is more sensible to have only one RfC running about this. Right Hand Drive (talk) 21:57, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- I support the temporary suspension of the RFC at least until there is an outcome at A Free Ride. The debate was getting difficult to follow, and regardless of the respective merits of the individual cases, the outcome at A Free Ride will inform the RFC at Debbie Does Dallas. For instance, I personally would oppose embedding the video at DDD if the RFC ran now, but not if there is a subsequent consensus at A Free Ride to embed it because I believe adult content should be treated consistently. If the consensus is to not embed the video at A Free Ride we can probably assume the same result at DDD; if the consensus is to embed it then I agree, it becomes an issue of historical significance rather than adult content at DDD. Either way, the Free Ride RFC should settle the porn dimension of the debate. Betty Logan (talk) 07:33, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Sorry you're feeling put upon. You still didn't answer my question, though.
Sorry you think that we're not getting along. It does look like we don't like each other much, but 1) that can change, and anyway 2) can't expect everyone to like us. Anyways, none of this is personal, it's just business. If you're going to jump into a contentious area as a brand-new editor, while you can expect an appropriate measure of respect, you can't have too thin a skin. Heat, kitchens, all that. We do go hammer and tongs on contentious issues sometimes and that's how we work things out. As a brand-new editor, I can't expect you to know these things. You will learn I hope.
Anyway, that got me to thinking -- are you a brand-new editor? At least two reasonably long-term editors in good standing think not (diff, diff). I would think that you would want to clear this up one way or another rather than leaving it hanging over your head, yes?
So at the ANI thread you opened, you didn't answer my question, even though I bolded it so you would see it. Maybe you were busy, and the thread is closed now, so OK. I'll ask again now though, because I think it's important:
Have you edited under other accounts? Yes or no.
You can provide explanations if you like, of course. Check out WP:SOCK and WP:SPA for possible implications for the answer, such as application of {{spa}} and whatnot. N.B. editing under multiple accounts is not utterly forbidden although it is severely constrained, see WP:SOCK for details.
P.S. while we going round about all this, I also made this. What have you done to improve the Wikipedia today? Make or fix a few score articles and maybe you'll get some more respect, hmmm?
Eagerly awaiting you answer to my question, Herostratus (talk) 18:58, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- You are harrassing me. Your comments are not welcome here. Leave me alone. Right Hand Drive (talk) 19:03, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- I understand. I won't contact you anymore. Herostratus (talk) 20:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC)