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Joigny coach crash

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• ... that families of the victims of the coach accident in France were suggested by the court they could sue the government because of delays it took to bring the case to court?

:* ALT1:... that the English registered coach accident at France became the longest legal case in French history? :* ALT2:... that one of those killed on the coach accident in France, took up the trip on the coach because her fear of air flight?

• ALT3:... that a coach that crashed at over 20mph it's speed limit, killing 11 passengers, months before it became compulsory for them all to be fitted with speed limiters?
• ALT4:... that the owner of the coach who was involved in a fatal accident in France, killing 11 passengers, had been in business for less than two months?
• ALT5:... that the delays from legal proceedings surrounding the Joigny coach crash in France were such that the prosecutor told the families of victims that they could seek compensation from the government?
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abandon the Old in Tokyo
• Comment: Please reserve for 3 June (date of the accident)

I would had preferred ALT2 though the source for it appears to be lost (the article was first created in 2009 and the source was still extant (source: [1][2][3][4])). Can anybody please suggest to me is there a way I can access the news archives, thanks. Created by Donnie Park (talk). Self-nominated at 15:15, 21 April 2016 (UTC).

I'm sorry, but there are some problems here. The article is new enough and long enough, but it needs a copyedit for formatting, grammar, and tense. The infobox puts the date of crash as 1980; it should be 1990. The central claim in the lead, that this was the "longest legal case in France" isn't supported by the BBC article, which called it "one of the longest-running cases in French legal history," a much weaker claim. The article closely paraphrases Hansard in several cases (cf [5]) and I wonder if we should rely on Cecil Parkinson's speech from June, two days after the crash, when legal proceedings weren't resolved until 2006. The first hook isn't supported by the text nor the citation; the BBC doesn't say who made the suggestion but it doesn't appear to have been the court itself. ALT1, as I indicated, isn't supported by the text, nor is ALT2 (as you noted). Mackensen (talk) 12:57, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Mackensen I already did as much as I could to resolve the paraphrasing issues; for other issues, the article had already been submitted for WP:GOCE. It will be great if we rely on his speech but will do so later on since I feel I'm running out of decent hooks. Donnie Park (talk) 13:44, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

• Mackensen I hope I have resolved whatever I was requested to resolve in the talk page. I managed to get it down from 12% to 4.8%, what do you think. Donnie Park (talk) 23:54, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

• I think we're there now, except for a hook. I'm going to put forward ALT5 as a reworking on the original hook, making it clear that it was the prosecutor who made the suggestion. Mackensen (talk) 11:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC)