User talk:Beyond My Ken

It is The Reader that we should consider on each and every edit we make to Wikipedia.

MOS is not mandatory
(see User:Ritchie333/MOS for Dummies)

Always do what's best for the encyclopedia

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Articles that need serious visual work

• Degenerate art
• Lock Haven, Pennsylvania
• German mediatization
• Footlight Parade (not really shitty, but needs cleanup)

Reminder: to work on

• Flapper - review for writing, order
• A Matter of Life and Death
• Yiddish Theatre District
• This Is Not A Theatre Company
• Hollywood blacklist - re: The Front
• Seven Summits - badly organized
• The Leatherman - copyedit
• Singin' in the Rain - add from Comden & Green intro to script when it's unburied
• Irvington Historic District (Irvington, New York) - further research and expand into sep article, if possible

Files

Hi,

I notice that you've been working on the file additions by Elisa.rolle. I've been working on those on User:CaroleHenson/sandbox2. I'm just trying to figure out my next steps, if any. Are you finishing this up and I can step back at this point?

Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:39, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I was intending to work on the 10 or so articles left which are marked as current in her contribution list, and then I planned on stopping. I figured that those articles not marked as "rollback" had been dealt with by you or some other editor. Have we overlapped, or have I stepped on your edits? If so, I'm sorry. I'm pretty much taking the articles as I find them without being overly worried about what elisa.rolle's edit was, just approaching them as if I was editing any other article I had come across randomly, and doing what I would normally do - the exception being the ones where e.r had removed her image(s), in which case I look at what the image was and decide whether to restore it or not before I begin the normal editing process. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

There were some that popped up on my Watchlist - and then I went to your contributions and noticed article names on the worklist.

In a couple of cases, too, I reviewed the articles but didn't make edits, like John McCormack (tenor) where I thought the image was ok. It does looks very similar to the main photo, but it's a different expression - so I let it pass. Not a big deal, though, I can easily see it called a duplicate because he's about the same age as the main photo.

Go ahead with what you're doing and I'll check back in the a.m. You've been doing a nice job cleaning up articles as you've gone through them.–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

There are still some articles that are labeled "current" in ER's contributions that I haven't looked at and aren't on the worklist. I am going through those, too.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, I'll check the status of things after work today. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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ANI-notice (it wasn't me)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Kleuske (talk) 11:36, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Tempest in a teapot closed before I even got there. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

'It' ...was sorted! ;) — O Fortuna ^{velut luna} 16:36, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Portrayal of East Asians in Hollywood

BMK,

I hope I can impose on you for a bit of help.

I edited this sentence for its english, then I chewed a bit about it. Knowing next to nothing about Hollywood, I'm unqualified to decide on this statement's value; but I wonder how well it might be supported and whether a reference can be found for it. You sometimes edit movies and theather articles, so I wonder whether you can provide some input on it, or point me to somebody who can.

Thanks, 82.57.69.86 (talk) 08:15, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

BMK,

allow me to put that on hold - I received notice that references for it are already present and I failed to notice them. I'll go through them later today or tomorrow as soon as I can devote an hour or two to their study.

Sorry for the intrusion.

82.57.69.86 (talk) 08:22, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Seems just a matter of deleting a (quasi-)duplicated statement. Let it be a lesson for me; always check the whole paragraph even when things seem tame.

My apologies for contacting you uselessly. 82.57.69.86 (talk) 13:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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 Done Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Silver

I put up orphan/problematic/useless userbox templates at WP:MfD. For Template:Voluntary_protection_program (and redirect Template:Voluntary_protection_Program ?) I guess that it would go at WP:TfD but it's not orphan yet, unless the articles were edited or first deleted (I think you have all PRODed those). Thanks, —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 02:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Oddly, my MfD entries have gathered no attention so far, while a more recent entry the same day did. I'm not sure if I missed something (those were my first MfD entries, here). —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 18:48, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't see them listed when you posted your first comment here. I just assumed that they would pop up eventually. Have you checked to see if they're listed on the master discussion list at WP:MfD? Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I see them as 2.2.2 - 2.2.8 there. Do you? Thanks, —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 20:48, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, I see Template:Voluntary_protection_program on April 16 at WP:TfD, but that's not yours. I'm still looking around MfD. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:43, 18 April 2017 (UTC) Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:43, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Found 'em. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:55, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Nice, and thanks. I was slighly worried that the documentation may have been outdated and that an automated tool did yet another step which the documentation didn't mention, preventing people using tools from seeing them. I thought for a moment about "stealth banning", but considered this very unlikely . I then checked if the page was not under a special pending-changes protection and it was not. Thanks again, —░]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR░ 00:58, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:37, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Silver Master

Since he's the only one to have edited from 197.42.0.0/16 in the last two years, I've rangeblocked it for a month. Black Kite (talk) 10:30, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

@Black Kite: Thanks! Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Your move of the Inwood–207th Street article

As per my Commons talk page, "Inwood" is in the title of the page. It is on the official map and in the MTA internal data. Please don't change it without reliable sources indicating otherwise. Thanks. epicgenius (talk) 19:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

• @Epicgenius: "Internal data" is not sufficient, if no one has access to it. Please provde a link to a public document in which "Inwood" is included in the name of the station. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:38, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
  • @Beyond My Ken: OK. Here are some official public MTA documents:
    1. "Subway Map" (PDF). Metropolitan Transportation Authority. September 2021. Retrieved September 17, 2021. "Inwood 207 St"
    2. "A Subway Timetable, Effective December 17, 2023". Metropolitan Transportation Authority. Retrieved June 28, 2024. "Inwood-207 St"
    3. Elevator Out of Service at Inwood-207th Street A Station Until Further Notice
    4. FASTRACK Returns to the ACBD in Upper Manhattan "A Subway trains will be suspended in both directions between 59 St-Columbus Circle and Inwood-207 St"
  • If you need more proof, I am happy to oblige. epicgenius (talk) 01:17, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

No, that's good enough for me. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Courtesy Note

Hi BMK. I just wanted to let you know that as I was going through the daily Prod log I declined a number of Prods you posted with a rational that the articles were virtually incomprehensible. While I do agree that the language in some cases was rough, I don't think it was so bad as to justify deletion. This was a bit reluctant since a number of the articles looked like there may well be other reasons for deletion including lack of notability and reliable secondary source coverage etc. I did tag most of the articles for copy editing. Anyways in situations where I decline multiple deletion requests from one editor I try to drop a line and let them know what's going on. Thanks for taking the time to review new articles. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:48, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I appreciate it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Usage of date parameter in templates for monitoring date-format drift

Hello. Regarding Clara Bow, I just wanted to let you know that the date parameter for Template:Use mdy dates is documented thus:

The month and year that the article was last checked for inconsistent date formatting.

The documentation also refers to the parameter as a "visit date":

a bot can...clean up formats periodically, correcting any new introductions since its last visit, and updating the visit date on the {{Use mdy dates}} template.

Please let me know if you have any questions. Scottyoak2 (talk) 14:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Although that makes sense in one way, it makes no sense in another. Probably the template should have two date parameters, one for when it was placed, and one for when it was last checked. In any case, thanks for the info. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:50, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Your close at ANI

I'm not going to reopen it but do want to register my dismay with your close. The issue there was 90% behavior and 10% content, and I thought the behavior in question was clearly in violation of WP:NPA. But the views you expressed in the close apparently reflect a widely shared tolerance for this type of expression of disrespect for fellow colleagues on WP, hence my dismay. Cheers. --В²C ☎ 01:18, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

You could well be right, we'll see if anyone feels strongly enough about it to re-open. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:23, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Here

...should you care to read, is my response to the tagging Noticeboard issue, in which you recently expressed opinion. For fairness, and completeness. Cheers. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 10:23, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

And should you actually care, the main discussion is here. Primefac (talk) 15:32, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Uruguayan cuisine; bad english.

Thats sad but true, im not as fluent in English as I once was, neither as I believe myself. Obviously I use a more basic English at discussions in favor of celerity hence I ask that you judge me by my articles and not by my discussions. I have a clue that I understand English better than im understood, respective to the article Im almost done with it. --Neurorebel (talk) 20:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neurorebel (talk • contribs)

@Neurobel: I did judge you by your article work, and I stand by what I said. There's nothing wrong with the fact that your English is not good enough to write English Wikipedia articles -- my own command of any language except English is practically non-existent, and I don't attempt to edit Wikipedias in other languages because of that. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:12, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Beyond My Ken; Editing other Idioms is nice, hope you be confident enough to try.

Im sorry to tell you that despite of your discouragement, I already and again have edited the article, I offer you my apologizes and I hope such not to turn an important issue, I was forced to and did it because I considered strictly necessary since the article has many issues other than. and mayormajor to, poor use of language.

Im doing mea culpa here, mainly on the abstract are: deviation of recommended style, autoreferencing and affirmations against NPOV

The fact is that I have spawned them myself and now Im being coerced against redeeming fixes.

I ask you to please revisit your posture, also take on account that I like being here and I feel comfortable despite of not being English my everyday language (green card please :p) and that these days I mainly use the language for watch movies, much of this can change.

On return to the article stuff and on a bit of history excesses being present there because that on a start served as developing sketch. The article lacked as I found It much of the content that has, The reason is that I intervened to my personal amusement and learning, on the wish to bring different content to Wikipedia, in fact i have chosen this article because of the suspicity suspiciousness that few natives would embark on such enterprise and hence its potential impossibility (I hope not to be underestimating my compatriots but —I think— on the way stay biaisement, tacitness and poorer implementations of English Language).

Deviations of mea culpa should be now to go, please watch, inform, feel free to correct, and let me operate on such way, take care that with medium effort, good concentration and a dict on hand I may easily achieve this level and better.

Also note that this is the first time that i receive this kind of advertence after time with many editions, the article inherited some controverted affirmations that I did not generate myself and you have (controversially?) reverted at a prior edition of mine.

P.D.: Yet deficient?

--Neurorebel (talk) 00:47, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Your comment above is a clear and compelling example of your lack of competence in English. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:30, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Beyond My Ken; Really?, why? --Neurorebel (talk) 03:08, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

That fact that you don't know is proof of your inability to write in proper English. Your comment above is intelligible only by overlooking the myriad mistakes you made: the use of words that don't mean what you think they mean ("the article inherited some controverted affirmations", "now Im being coerced against redeeming fixes"), the use of archaic or obscure words that few people will understand (", the straight-out incorrect use of words ("celerity"} and use of non-existent words ("mayor to", "suspicity", "advertance", "biaisement"), the use of the wrong form of words ("apologizes" instead of "apologies"), not using an apostrophe in contractions ("Im" instead of "I'm"), the misuse of common phrases ("doing mea culpa"), the misuse of prepositions ("mainly on the abstract")

In short, your English is really very poor, and your attempt to make it better just makes it worse. Please stop editing articles -- instead, make suggestions about what changes you want to make on the article talk page and allow other editors to decipher what you mean and put the changes into the article. I have to warn you that competence is required in editing Wikipedia, and if you continue to edit articles despite this advice, I will be compelled to bring your behavior to the attention of administrators. I really don't want to do that to someone who enjoys being here, but I will have to if you continue to mess up articles with your poor English. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:36, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Just for curiosity, how do you tell "the quality of being biased"? I have wrongly taken that word from wiktionary not realizing that it was strictly a french term. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/biaisement

Also Isnt a word In English to describe the quality of being suspicious? google says this [1], a similar word on spanish is suspicidad; the straight forward term in English is suspiciuosness [2] but i think that if existent suspicity is more correct for what I intended to say.

Can you at last understand me despite of obscure language?--Neurorebel (talk) 04:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

It is good that at least I can sustain some kind of conversation, and on greater or lesser manner make me understand on languages other than my native one as seen here; you personally cited your unability (impediment) to do so.

It is curious that the word celerity is in English even stranger that it is its spanish translation: "celeridad" that is a more formal way of saying speed or "velocidad" on spanish.

I intentionally used less colloquial lexicon to approach a more formal writing. I hope that that is not what you adjectivate as obscure.

I just noticed that you have misspelled advertence as "advertance", what is wrong with using that term instead of "warning"? I think that that is still English and also less severe, so on the lack of use of the correct form of contractions is analogous of what would happen to an English witter that tries to type the "ñ" on its computer, we simple lack of respective chars at hand (Im on the switch from windows to linux and desperately miss alt+numpad ASCII composing).

I take your advice on how to behave here but im slightly inclined to suggest a possible submission to consensus as last resource on the instance of preventing any further disagreement, as an antecedent and also an affirmation of your decision, if you do not oppose, what do you think?

Im learning some English on the go.

"That fact that you don't know is proof of your inability to write in proper English", I just asked, also that is not a proper argument--

"Doing mea culpa" instead of "making mea culpa" those are two idioms at the same time, make cocoa and do homework are both actions and one day I will ask an English speaker if he can make difference of both verbs using a definition, most possibly he will can.

For sure on which language is it written that text on your user profile, if any? it seems a mixture of spanish Italian and Portuguese.Neurorebel (talk) 04:53, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

That inner page is diffuse for moments, seems not my understanding of English what is preventing me to get the point in some parts, WP:CIR says: "...to limit their contributions on English Wikipedia articles to edits that do not require writing in English" Really I cant understand which articles of English Wikipedia are those that dont "require writing in English".--Neurorebel (talk) 06:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I hope Beyond My Ken doesn't mind that I answer to this. Other ideas of contributions are fighting vandalism, editing templates, categorizing articles, improving sources and references/citations of articles, ensuring that articles follow the manual of style for things like typography, sentence case for titles... there probably are other aspects that don't currently come to mind. — PaleoNeonate — 06:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh, working on images is also an important part of improving Wikipedia. — PaleoNeonate — 07:12, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Neither I had any explicit invitation here but a message on my discussion, I also hope that Beyond My Ken doesnt care that I reply to unexpected guests, PaleoNeonate you stepped on me! as we say on my country: if you want it clearer just add water ("Mas claro echale agua"). @Beyond My Ken: I just saw that you did a good work helping on the article, thank you very much. Where It says Italian grappa it links nowhere because the article is located at Grappa If you wanted to write Italian Grappa im not sure wether is that correct since you are talking about a spirit that is made in Uruguay and also is sometimes called grapa uruguaya I believe that is written on the bottle let me take pic... I will keep improving the article at my sandbox if there is no opposition, you can check it everytime you wish and i stay at your orders if any doubt.--Neurorebel (talk) 07:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Cheers[3]--Neurorebel (talk) 07:46, 6 May 2017 (UTC)