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Janya Ragas Edit

Saw your work on the list of Janya Ragas. I had always wanted to do it but couldnt find time. Great job. Thanks for the clean up. Charukesi 18:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

relating carnaticindia.com

Dear sir, My link to carnaticindia.com is repeatedly being removed from the page carnatic music. I would like to have a genuine logical reason for this impertinent act. please provide a valid explanation for the same. I am sutre the site contains details only regarding carnatic music and nothing else please be understanding in this matter. regards, Krishna

Melakartha Ragas Scheme merger

I also saw you have suggested a merging of melakartha raga scheme determination into the main page discussing melakartha ragas. Please do it when you find time. Cheers. Charukesi 01:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• • • I think that is ok. I actually wrote the algorithm part and I dont know if it is actually published somewhere. As you said, guess it is not within rules to include original stuff. Otherwise, ya..good job. Thanks for the neat work -Charukesi 22:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ayyavazhi Templates

What Vaikunda Raja??? Comming to the matter, I am going to work on Ayyavazhi templates. The Trinity redirect to Ayyavazhi Trinity. And the Thrimurthis I am going to give certain links. Let me improve. Good luck for your haaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrd work on Ayyavazhi related works. - Paul Raj 06:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Dear sir, The entry of the site www.carnaticindia.com has been block repeatedly. Please include the site in carnatic music section of wikipedia. You can check the site for yourself and find for yourself the relevancy of the same. I humbly request you not to avoid it further,

yours truly, Krishnaraj

kurukshetra war

I did not remove the links to already existing war pages. You can check that. I just removed those links from the fifth day onwards, which do not even deserve a separate place. Moreover, the article itself lacks the information from 12th day onwards.nids(♂) 11:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not blaming you for anything. I just suggested that the separate links for fifth day onwards are redundant, and may never be made into separate articles. If they are made we can always reintroduce the wikilinks, but by then I just suggested that those links should be removed. Rest is up to you.nids(♂) 20:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Sound of India

Venu62: SoundOfIndia.com is a legitimate music site, providing comprehensive online reference material since more than 6 years now. Is there any reason you are removing it from Wikipedia? - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apollo45 (talk • contribs)

hi

i am sushant gupta from india. i saw the content you added on discussion page of india about the corruption in india which exists in the govt. well i just want to tell you that Wikipedia has nothing to do with the indian goverment and starting a topic could be considered vandalism by some editors. Wikipedia is actually not affiliated with any government whatsoever and out relationship the india is the same as it with India or Nigeria--esentially there is none. Wikipedia is a private international entity organization which is governed by the Wikimedia Foundation by the founders of this project and all the users, including you and I. well i am removing that content which you have added. glad to know that you are contributing to wikipedia and hope so you will be continue carrying out this work.

happy editing!!!

thankyou Sushant gupta 16:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)sushant gupta

sorry

it was my mistake. i am extreamly sorry. it wasn't added by you.

thankyou Sushant gupta 12:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)sushant gupta

Hoysala Kings infobox

How do i edit this?. I have taken it upon myself to cleanup and better represent this highly incomplete page.

thanks

Dinesh Kannambadi

npa

Just to be fair to both of you, regarding this edit, Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. . Don't call others trolls. --Ragib 06:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

My response from Ragib's Talk page:

Ragib, Bharatveer's initial accusation of my making personal attacks were not well founded as he took a simple typographical error to be an attack on him. I pointed this to him in his talk page. I only removed his comments from my talk page (the first time I have ever done that) is because I got fed up with the unreasonable comments by this user. I clearly see these comments as trolling. My edit history said rm trolling. I never called Bharatveer a troll. If you could advise Bharatveer to show some good faith in other editors, I think it can help him improve his contributions to WP. Cheers - Parthi 07:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Ayyavazhi

I was noting your earlier Ayyavazhi related works.

Why are you calling me Vaikunda Raja? Also in the previous discussions??

Comming to the matter, 'Ayyavazhi - Completely Non notable unrecognised sect' Please explain this.

Then may be Ayyavazhi (regarding no.of followers) may not be equal to major religions Christianity, Hinduism etc. But look the pages where I added Ayyavazhi in Religious history, First Man and woman. Where all the religions (groups) mentioned notable like major religions.

So please understand. Don't remove. It may have mentioned earlier where it is not notable. But taking that as a reason don't remove it from every where, Please.

Then If you think that Ayyavazhi is restricted only to few districts in Tamil Nadu, You are mistaken. You may not have known. But there are university papers to prove. If needed I shall give or cite. So pls understand.

More over if you find time we shall discuss for (every futher insert) inserting on further more pages or to remove . And if nagative facts highlighted we shall remove.

Once again please understand. Thanks - Paul 23:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Again calling Vaikunda! Let it be so

Then

Number of Adherents- Since not officially recognised there is no chance for a officially valid list. Then from Ayyavazhi head-quarters there are several listings based upon membership in Thangals I think. Let me try to find. Roughly telling I've heard many of them telling as over a million.

On the other hand, friend see the declaration of official Holiday. You can't say that it is like a local Holiday given for some other temples like Velankanni. Because, for no temple festivals in Tamil Nadu more than a district will be declared as a holiday.

But, three dists were declared as a Holiday. Just more than 15 percent of the three districts populaton will comfortably cross this border. Even for local holidays a considerable percent population more than this is claimed.

Spread of Ayyavazhi outside Tamil nadu.

From a reserch paper from Madurai Kamarajar University, Dr.R.Ponnu in (Sri Vaikunda Swamigal and The Struggle for Social Equality in South India, says, "At present, thousands of Pathis (Nizhal Thangals) are seen through out the Various parts of South India" He also told that (Down in the Paragraph about Kanyakumari and Tirunelveli dists) , "In these two districts it is very difficult to see a village with-out a pathi". This is the reason for the declaration of a holiday. These two are three districts are havily populated but on the other hand the Ayyavazhi population scattered through-out South India. But not hevily as these districts.

Another book (Ayya Vaikundarin vaazvum Sinthanaiyum)(Tamil) from the same university says (Author N.Krishna Nathan) that "60% of the Thangals are runned by Nadars and the rest by others". Which means 40 % is out side Nadar caste. That is the spread of Ayyavazhi in south or whole of Tamil Nadu is more among Nadars and outside Tamil nadu the spread is among other people.

The book Religion and Subaltern Agency from Madras University also says the presence of Thangals across the country mainly many parts of Tamil Nadu and some Kerala Parts.

And Dr.Poulose in his book Advaita Philosophy of Brahmasri Chattampi Swamikal, says the presence of Thangals through-out India. It doesn't mean that the wole Indian parts are of Ayyavazhi followers. But as your general vision, it should not be mistaken that it's spread is confine to two or three districts of Tamil Nadu or Nadars.

This University books are with me and there are sevral University books which gives such details is not with me. Then these are external and valid nutral views.

Then the official recognition from the Indian govt only doesnot make a notability to religion. The recognition will come after a sereis of deed and all. These are university papers.

If there are a million people and climing for a religion and the Indian Government does not recognise it as a religion. The people don't call them as Hindus. Does it mean that they are Hindus really? This is in the case of Ayyavazhi. They don't call them as Hindus. And the niversity papers itself is proof.

Then the official govt recognision itself don't bring a notability for some thing at all. If so are the university papers not genune? It says about the underlying reality.

Then from the pages you removed Ayyavazhi see the other pages (other than major beleifs) liked to there. I feel Ayyavazhi is more notable than that. Please understand. - Paul 00:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Policy for MapsDineshkannambadi 01:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Venu, I have a good book, one I have often referenced for history of Karnataka which also comes with good maps, indicating geo. spread of kingdoms. What is the policy to create maps. Can I photocopy, then scan and create jpg file for each map, and later quote the source of the map when I upload into Wikipedia? How do you do it/

Dinesh Kannambadi

Your edits at Hindi

You do not seem to read the links that have been provided at the Hindi article. Your latest edit is wrong. Revert it ASAP. The 22 languages of the eighth schedule are not the official languages of India. Why are you making false assumptions and pushing your POV. There is one and only one languages of the Union of India, and that is Hindi. Read the links or else I will have to write to Administrators for arbitration and complain about your vandalism. --APandey 05:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Higgins

You're certain that Higgins's first name was "Jon" and not "John"? Badagnani 01:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Carnatic spamming

Whatever you recommend. I wouldn't have a problem with the links if they actually talked about the instruments or artists whose articles they were being added to. Badagnani 03:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Chaunk

By the way, I made an article for the cooking technique chaunk. I don't know if you're knowledgeable about cooking but I would like some Indian people to check the article for me, if you have time. Badagnani 03:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it's a Bengali term. Marathi is Maharashtra right? They should use a similar cooking technique. I think it must even figure into sambar as well. Thanks for checking into it for me, though. Badagnani 06:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Carantic

Hey I was informed that forum links are anyway not allowed, so I wont be putting them back. Sorry for all the trouble.--Kris 21:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

what category is this?Dineshkannambadi 02:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

In the Chalukya page, there seems to be a category that does not belong there -->"Articles with unsourced statements". Is this supposed to be there? I think all info on the page is sourced quite well and references provided.

Dinesh Kannambadi

Excellent work on Ragam Thanam Pallavi!

I'm just dropping you quick note to say well done on your speedy cleanup work on the article Ragam Thanam Pallavi. I came across it while patrolling new pages created today by the same editor who created it and noted that, while it certainly did seem to be a topic of importance, the article was in dire need of work. I come back a little later and find that in less than an hour you've picked up on it and fixed it up wonderfully! Sterling work there - in fact, in light of your edit history to other related articles, I reckon that deserves a barnstar! ~Matticus ^T_C 10:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		for your many, many contributions to articles on Indian music and culture ~Matticus TC 10:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Photos

Hi Parthi. just wanted some clarification regarding uploading photographs. A friend of mine visited Badami/Pattadakal/Aihole and took many photos of Badami Chalukya monuments there. He is not too interested in uploading his pictures on to Wikipedia but does not mind sending me the pictures to do the same. Is it ok for me to upload his photos, so long as I mention who took the photos and that i have full permission from him to upload it on to wiki?

Dineshkannambadi

Trimurti

Venu, I made more changes to views of Trimurti within Hinduism. can you fix the section to have the references as footnotes?

Thanks, Raj2004 20:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks, Venu Raj2004 01:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding my edits on Carnatic music

How knowledgeable are you on this subject? And why reversal of all edits? Some of them have not been talked about, I checked.--Kris 20:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont care a hoot about whether you are an Aussie or not. You have a POV issue here, and perhaps (past) personal issues with me (you call me names, dont you). I have already mentioned that I am Tamil myself, and that I am a longtime listener of this art foem. Please dont make Wikipedia a ground to promote vested interests or linguistic chauvinism. Please you learn to "discuss" in the relevant discussion page before calling the world black. I repeat there is no Tamil (or any other kind of linguistic) trinity recognized in Carnatic Music. If you have a problem, you discuss in that page before branding me.--Kris 23:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, any citation should be valid, not questionable or propoganda stuff. Search for google about the "tamil carnatic music trinity" and tell me how many results point toward affirming your assertions.--Kris 23:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

You say "All past changes have been discussed and agreed", "The changes you have made today to Carnatic music goes against extensive discussion held in the talk pages" etc, but I see now directly that these are plain lies. Nothing has been agreed at any point. If you want to agree on anything, feel free to discuss before reversing edits that dont suit your POV. I have already told you that some of my edits today have not found any mention in previous discussions.--Kris 23:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Is this a joke? You called me a spammer, and you say I am calling you names. Where did I call you names? Please assume the same good faith in others that you want others to assume for you. And dont reverse valuable edits just because your POV is different. First use google. Then try to convince the others about things and "you" try for that consensus which you seem to think has been achieved. I dont have to say anything more, and I have never called you names. Today I understood what "pot calling the kettle black" means.--Kris 23:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

You said consensus has been reached. That is wrong. In my language (English), it is called a lie. I dont agree with Aadal, let her (and you) strive for consensus before including information that suits your POV. "Tamil trinity" does not ipso facto make them related to Carnatic Music or make them "Carnatic Music Tamil trinity" or "Carnatic Music Adi Trinity". They are better to be elaborated in the respective article on Ancient Tamil Music, and not in Carnatic Music. I hope I have made myself clear. Dont make unilateral decisions based on questionable references.--Kris 23:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

And dont do word play. If you are not a spammer, and you didnt also call me a spammer, who is this spammer between us? Please dont act like this. --Kris 23:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

POV does not depend on the amount of editing that you have done. I thank you for your valuable contributions, but as a person who knows better, it is my duty to oppose bias, notwithstanding my own love and regard for my mother-tongue. We are not here to promote our mother tongue Tamil - first realize this. Carnatic Music composers principally composed classical music (with devotional flavor). Appar and other saints like Alwars did not compose classical music. Theirs were works of devotion and not of music. Merely because tiruvachagam etc are set to music by present day musicians does not make Appar and co, composers.

I should state here that Appar and Sambandhar did not identify themselves as classical music composers, and neither did they consider their own works to be works of music.. Thyagaraja and co were musicians who composed songs in classical music (with a devotional flavor) and they were known to be classical music composers in their own lifetime. Appar, Sambandhar etc did not get recognition as music composers, rather they got recognition in their lifetime as devotional saints. --Kris 01:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The websites from which Aadal has cited references like carnatica.net, carnaticcorner.com, karnatik.com are all owned by friends of mine. I myself own two such websites and planning for a third now. I know the nature of such references and what they mean. The difference is that Appar etc neither considered themselves classical music composers, nor were they considered by others as music composers. They were shaivite saints, similar to vaishnavite alwars.

Thyagaraja and Co are people who composed classical music, not devotional verses. They considered themselves classical music composers and were known as such. Syama Sastri was one of the trinity who has composed in Tamil, and that is classical music

Tamil contribution to carnatic music does not ipso-facto mean all tamil saints are carnatic composers.--Kris 01:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Venu62, I'm sorry I had been away for some time and couldn't participate in the Carnatic music page discussions. The comments made Skris show that the user does not understand the basic issues in tamil music and the role of Muthu Thandavar, Arunachala Kavi et. al. Nor does this user understand the musical contributions of Appar, Sambandar and Sundarar (his comment about theirs being devotional). Skris says //The difference is that Appar etc neither considered themselves classical music composers, nor were they considered by others as music composers. They were shaivite saints, similar to vaishnavite alwars//. This comment shows he has virtually no understanding of {Thevaram] and the musical contributions of Appar et al. Sambandar et al do declare themselves as musicians and advanced their songs as musical compositions, including the so called Mudra to end their compositions. The fact is Thyagaraja et al followed Sambandar's lead in Mudra. Appar et al are indeed pioneers of south indian claasical music. Muthu Thandavar et al are indeed pioneers of modern Carnatic format which is still substantially based on tamil music.--Aadal 14:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Nawab of the Carnatic

So I see. I don't think it would apply, either. Thanks for the note. Erechtheus 20:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ayyavazhi

Venu, Please don't remove Ayyavazhi from the pages. Ayyavazhi is nottable and is not known commonly, mainly because it don't receives official recognition as a seperate religion. And so that is the reson for the lack of valid listings of adherents. But the presence of thangals across South India and its numbers, its autonomous infrastructure all were cited earlier with university papers, independent studies and also religious books. So I plea, Understand please. - Paul 19:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I used the word "Commonly unknown" is to refer the lack of Ayyavazhi related sourses in internet. And the reason for this "lack of online sourses for the subjects well known offline" is told already by User:Doctorbruno, here. And the offline nottablities for Ayyavazhi's nottablity were already cited with university books. The University book itself says about the presence of Ayyavazhi centers through out South India. So Please Understand. - Paul 16:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Cholas on main page

Great to see Chola dynasty - your baby - lined up for featurin on October 16, per WP:TFA. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 14:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure. I'll help you with copyediting once content is more-or-less frozen. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

notes

Hi Venu. I have a small problem. The "notes" I had created (in the page Western Chalukyas)for referenced material in this page keeps vanishing for some reason. The notes are all there, but dont show up on the page for some reason. Is there an issue with the syntax?

Dineshkannambadi

Help needed in Carnatic Music edit wars

Venu62, the following is the message I left in User: Sunder's talk page:

I find that two users Skris and Sarvagnya are reverting edits completely unreasonably. I have provided evidences from authentic sources and yet, they are pusing for their POV rather than being neutral and inclusive. The Carntic Music page has not progressed due to such unreasonable edits. The time put in to improve the article gets wasted. I don't know how to seek arbitration. I'll also post a copy of this in User Venu62 who had maintained objectivity in a tireless manner. Please advise.--Aadal 20:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I'll also seek Arvind's input.--Aadal 21:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!

Chola dynasty is featured today! Congrats!! deeptrivia (talk) 00:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations. Cool stuff. I learnt a lot about the Cholas from that article. Never knew they had control over such vast lands. After reading I could understand why Hinduism spread into South-east Asia. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Chola dynasty

Hi-- I have no idea if Dineshkannambadi is right or not, but he left this information on my talk page. Could you let me know if it's true (or plausible) and should be added? Thanks. Andrew Levine 15:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, a user has expressed concern that the map (Image:LocationChola empire sm.png) is inaccurate because it shows all of Sri Lanka (instead of just "parts") under Chola control. Andrew Levine 18:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Corrected infobox to "preceding state of Early Cholas"

Hi Venu. I have corrected the infobox as per your answer to the admin. While I want to say congrats for getting the page to main article, sorry to see all the vandalism going on. I certianly hope my own arguements have not added fuel to fire. My arguements were valid and I am sure you will agree to the corrections I have made (for most part atleast). Again, I hope the vandal goes away and leaves us to enjoy history. Good luck!!

Dineshkannambadi

Nope

That is wholly inaccurate, during this time Kashyapa had control southern Sri Lanka, south of modern day mahiyangana to hikkaduwa in the east to Hambanthota in the southwest. And simlarly as I described in indonesia 222.155.21.111 20:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Well ... could you discuss please, need to get this sorted as it is after all a feature article, and inaccuracies in feature articles is not good at all you know 222.155.21.111 20:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Chalukya and FAC

Hi. I would love to see Chalukya appear as front page article. How do I do it? Whom do I contact? Can you help me here?

Dineshkannambadi

Map

Oh ok... luckily I saved the new image under a different name (well added a 1 to the end of the last image name) so its easy to restore, I was just trying alleviate the revert wars... lol should I revert my edit? Pubuman 22:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

It's ok. I have reverted to the original. Thanks Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 22:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok thats fine .. ignore the comment below this, for some reason my original message got posted twice :o oh well... thanks for the revert, hope this edit war eases up sooner rather than later, I have a feeling after the FA is taken off tomorrow it will get a whole lot easier lol.. good luck chaps Pubuman 22:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Map

Oh ok... luckily I saved the new image under a different name (well added a 1 to the end of the last image name) so its easy to restore, I was just trying alleviate the revert wars... lol should I revert my edit? Pubuman 22:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

History of Tamil Nadu

I've been watching as you were adding an amazing number of citations to it. Before we go for copyediting, there are some prose issues to be fixed.

• The lead should give a glimpse of the subject while enticing the reader to read the complete article. It should preferably in two or three mid-size paragraphs. WP:LEAD has the guidelines.
• The article is a little too long, understandably though. Can we compress it a bit to bring it down to 45k or under? This guide might tell us how.
• It can do with a few more interesting pictures.
• While the amount of prose devoted to different eras in history are proportionate to the duration, a casual reader might want to know more about the modern entity. Perhaps not.
• Can a timeline be added? We can even have it as a separate article and link it from here. Chief Ministers of Tamil Nadu has a link to a graphical timeline, please check that out.

Let's wait for Arvind to comment on the content. Once the content is frozen, we can do a few rounds of copyediting as a peer review goes side-by-side. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work on the lead, except that someone may insist on a more neutral wording; it's a minor issue. Also, since the subject deserves this amount of prose, let's not worry much about condensing it now. There have been longer FAs. IMO, you can go ahead with a peer review and let us do copyediting in parallel. After today, I'll be back only next week after vacation. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 06:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Pulakeshi, the name

Hi Parthi. Please check out the talk page for Pulakesi II. What's your opinion?Dineshkannambadi 21:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Chalukya "etymology" and uncited Paragraphs in "Legends" section

Parthi, Do you know where this came from. Its not in My book from Dr. Kamath. Did it come from Prof. Sastri? If so, which pages?. I feel better to give sitation for this too. I dont recognise the Muruturu and Handarike inscriptions. The Saptamatrike info I have though.

Dineshkannambadi

History of TN.

• A mismatch between History of Tamil Nadu and Lord William Bentinck : According to the former, Bentinck was recalled after the Vellore revolt in 1806, 1807 as per the second. Tintin (talk) 11:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• The same section says that 19 mutineers were executed. Vellore Mutiny mentions of 350-800 rebels who were killed. Stating the number of all the death seems more appropriate. Tintin (talk) 12:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• First elections were held for the local assemblies in 1921.[41] - I don't whether this is the same thing but as per Madras_Presidency#Chief_Ministers_of_Madras_Presidency, the Presidency had a CM by December 1920. Tintin (talk) 12:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

image not showing up

Parthi, why is'nt one image showing up in Vijayanagar Metropolitian City. It is there when I click on it.Dineshkannambadi 01:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Its ok now. Dinesh

Etymology

Dont you think its better to remove any material that we cant support with citations?Dineshkannambadi 02:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

copy edit

Parthi, why dont you give it one last good look before we contact the concerned people for peer review.

Dineshkannambadi

Sangam article

Needs a major revamp. Lots of unverifiable claims (not just non-citing of references but unverifiable ones) which WP calls Original Research. The article speaks of three sangams as if they are "factual occurences over a 9000+ years period". Original research it is.-- ॐ Kris 13:41, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

No Original Research-- ॐ Kris 13:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)