Talk:List of Yazidi settlements

NPOV dispute

This map was added by various Wikipedians and it consists non-Yazidi majority cities such as: Arab, Turkmen cities as Mosul and Tal Afar, and other Assyrian cities as well. I think this Wikipedia article is not neutral. Please can anyone do anything for this? I was banned for 24 because I removed this map. Here is a map from the same article. The dark green collor represents Yazidi people. Beshogur (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Couldn't find the map mentioned above, but there's a 2015 map here: . Batternut (talk) 20:43, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Do you think this map is true? Any reliable source mentions this areas? Talafar, Mosul? Beshogur (talk) 11:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't like to say. I have no secret info to back it up. The Yezidis of Mount Sinjar have been in the news a lot the last couple of years, and I found a mention of Khatārah (near Mosul) having been a Yezidi town, I suppose before they fled from ISIS, which I have added to this Article. I'd guess the two centres may well be correct, but the precise boundaries could be anywhere. The author of the map commented that it came from HPŞ - https://www.facebook.com/biji.HPS, which I would assume would have the Protection Force of Sinjar POV. Batternut (talk) 17:19, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't open the page. Beshogur (talk) 17:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Me neither, but HPŞ == Hêza Parastina Şingal == Protection Force of Sinjar, former name of Êzîdxan Protection Force. Batternut (talk) 17:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Here's a link to Dr Izady's (Columbia University) gulf 2000 map. Batternut (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Izady is ethnic Kurdish, this map is overestimated. Also according this map is my town Kurdish. Since when? Beshogur (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

That's interesting, about Izady. What's your town though, Beshogur, since you mention it? It would be fun to prove the Izady map wrong. (I, btw, have no Kurdish relations, nor Turkish or any other middle-eastern relations to my knowledge). Batternut (talk) 13:16, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, according this map, Kurds lives in 40% of Turkey, while their population is max 15 million. Thus, Kurdish population in Anatolia is overestimated. Also he calls Jafari Azerbaijanis and Alevi Turkmens as "Shia Kurds" on the map.

The Kurdish area in Turkmenistan does not exist. There is not a Kurdish native area in Turkmenistan. According 1995 census, there were just 10,000 Kurds in Turkmenistan, and they were exiled Kurds from Nagorno Karabakh region of Azerbaijan. Just 0,1% of Turkmenistani population.

Kurds in Qalbajar and Lachin (Azerbaijan) was just 20% of the area's population, look at the red/green area. Just 20% of the area according 1940 census. Later, 90-95% of all Kurds along with Meskheti Turks from Georgia and Karachay-Balkars from northern Caucasus were exiled to Central Asia by Stalin due to "working with Nazis". So today there is not a Kurdish-majority (even minority area) in Karabakh, same with Turkish area in southwestern Georgia. See: Meskhetian Turks.

Kurdish areas in Syria looks "OK".

Iraqi Kurdish areas are also overestimated. According his maps is Mosul a Kurdish city, Hawija, a Sunni-Arab majority area is "Yarsanist-Kurdish" majority.

Iran looks also "OK", whie there area few dozens errors. For example: some Talish people is counted as "Kurdish", yes they are related, but not Kurds.

For example if you look at this map, it looks good, but there are dozens of error, for example in Macedonia. As a Turkic-speaker, Turks consist 25% of Macedonia 100 years ago, but now 4-5%, so, it's very very wrong. If you look again at Turkey, there are also dozens of errors. But the rest of Turkic languages looks ok. Beshogur (talk) 13:31, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, if he's not reliable, then that's just one more reason to delete File:Turkmens in North Aleppo.png since it bases majorily on the Izady maps plus showing definitely not Turkmen areas as Turkmen, such as Azaz or Jarabulus.--Ermanarich (talk) 01:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

The map is not made by me. Also, I don't claim a non-existing fake area in Syrian Turkmen page. Beshogur (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Original research

I've raised this at WP:NORN. Doug Weller talk 12:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

@Batternut and Beshogur: pinging you as you've used this talk page and are still active editors. Doug Weller talk 12:36, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

What? I don't understand what's going on. Beshogur (talk) 14:19, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

@Beshogur: just click on WP:NORN#Ezidkhan. Doug Weller talk 14:22, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Attempts to change the nature of this article

I've realised until this happened again that I hadn't seen the woods for the trees. What had started out as an article about the historical area of the Yazidis, "Ezidkhan (Kurmanji Kurdish: Êzîdxan, IPA: [eːziːdˈxaːn]; Sorani Kurdish: ئێزدیخانە‎) is the historical area of settlement of the Yazidis." ahd become a different article entirely, "Ezidkhan (Kurmanji Kurdish: Êzîdxan, IPA: [eːziːdˈxaːn]; Arabic: ايزيدخان‎) is an unrecognised de facto autonomous area established and controlled by the Protection Force of Ezidkhan in the Iraqi Sinjar region".

Instead, I went to WP:NORN where people agreed that the additions were original research and on January 1st I restored an earlier version. Four hours later an editor editing from a webhost, 213.211.221.53 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) reverted me. That IP address was finally blocked last month. It was obviously someone with an account that had this on their watchlist. I'm not sure who it is, but see this. User:Ravensfire reinstated the earlier version. Then on the 12th of February at 8:06 User:Druckmaschine, an account with only 32 editors, made their last edit since then to reinstate the version (which as I said, is about a different subject). I reverted again to the article about the historical area, and yesterday user:Niele~enwiki reinstated their version about an autonomous area, calling my edits vandalism, which was reverted again today by User:Johnuniq. Note Niele~enwiki reverted to their 6 month old version. But that's not all. At 21:47 on the 12th, the same day as Druckmaschine reinstated the other vesion Autonomous Region of Ezidkhan, using the same material, was created by a sockpuppet, Gani zanyar (talk · contribs). At the time it wasn't know that they were a sock or it wouldn't have been necessary to create Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Autonomous Region of Ezidkhan which ended in a deletion. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ezidishingali/Archive. There's obviously some monkey business here and some links between editors that I hadn't noticed until today and I'll start a new SPI.

And finally, just a note of puzzlement that in the last 6 months no new sources have been found for this alleged autonomous area. But again, that would be for a different article and as there is no new coverage nor any independent coverage in reliable sources, i've removed the bit about the declaration. I support the Yazidis generally and have done so in other articles, but no one should use our articles to push a cause Doug Weller talk 12:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)