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Get diffs of their inflammatory comments and submit them to Blnguyen on his talk page.Hkelkar 06:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ambedkaritebuddhist:

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3. Massive disruption : [3] (he's done this once before)
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Nothing wrong here, but it's just plain hilarious (Babasaheb Ambedkar "taught us", apparently Ambedkaritebuddhist must be really really old to have been literally taught anything by Babasaheb :-))[7].

Dhammafriend:

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Bodhidhamma: TBC

Revisit old RFCU

Report Mujeerkhan's sock army to an admin.Hkelkar 06:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > Please abstain from editing other's comments.Secondly, DO NOT call the serious issue of incivilty as "Ho Hum".

Incivilty

Please do not remove legitimate warnings from your talk page or replace them with inappropriate content. Removing or maliciously altering warnings from your talk page will not remove them from the page history. You're welcome to archive your talk page, but be sure to provide a link to any deleted legitimate comments. If you continue to remove or vandalize legitimate warnings from your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks. for removing this warning.TerryJ-Ho 21:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

A bogus warning, as mediator agrees with me.See warnings to TerryJ-Ho by admins below.Hkelkar 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > Provide proof on which mediator agreed to remove the warnings?

• > Sir Nicholas to confirm whether this is correct?Is it a specific warning to me..Why?

copied from above "See warnings to TerryJ-Ho by admins below.Hkelkar 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)"

• >I will take back any warnings if you show proof of the mediator's communication..Thanks TerryJ-Ho 21:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Support from mediator regarding Mkhan's sock army and subsequent abuse:

Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mujeerkhan

In particular, read mediator Martinp23's comments.Hkelkar 22:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > When you removed the warnings and wrote that mediators agreed with you - you gave an impression that mediators agreed with the removal of the warning itself.From your proof it appears you are rather referring to a construed agreement that happened on an entirely different issue some times back in history.My warning to you is on using uncivil language and using words that could imply that Wikipedia is a battlefield (by now you should be very well aware what these mean).Mkhan or any other user may be misusing socks but that does not mean that you should use language that exacerbates the editing environment and worse then mislead others into believing what is apparently not the case.My warnings stand..you may seek any admin's help in removing them.TerryJ-Ho 10:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on your tendentious remarks on the Tipu Sultan mediation, I will have to say that the pot calls the kettle black, indeed.Plus, you have yet to establish by canonical arguments that the remarks were incivil. Besides, since they are not directed at anyone other than myself they do not count as incivil towards anyone (except maybe myself, and I officially forgive me :-) ).Hkelkar 10:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• > I have asked you on numerous occasions not to rake up historical accounts to justify your present misdeeds and for sure now that you want to turn the tables against me.What did I say on Tipu Sultan mediation that was incivil to another user:

This - "Can I ask you to refrain from terms like "Osama's pawns".These are denigrating and highly Uncivil TerryJ-Ho 22:55, 25 September "

• > You are not doing any justice to yourself by removing these templates.Only an admin can do so, your block is getting harder to be removed.TerryJ-Ho 11:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I did not remove the templates, merely unrendered them temporarily. Let's see what an admin has to say.Hkelkar 12:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

And as for who turns tables against whom, well, guess who failed in every attempt at propaganda on wikipedia (AfD of anti-Hindu, Tipu Sultan mediation etc.etc.) so far thanks to the tireless efforts of yours truly.12:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why you should take content issues personally.TerryJ-Ho 12:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Recycle bin

You're compiling quite a long list of what to do during your block. Subhash bose used to do the exact same thing. BhaiSaab ^talk 10:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

So does TerryJ-Ho.Hkelkar 17:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I was never blocked and neither am I being suspected of being a sock, Kelkarji.I don't make a To do list either.My noting down potential sources is different to your - similarity with Netaji TerryJ-Ho 19:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I was inspired into it :) Hkelkar 01:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Terry was blocked for calling me a fascist. I myself have utilized a to-do list.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

What do you want to prove..Bhaisaab has not pointed out that creating such to do list is wrong.He is talking about the fact that both Netaji and HKelkar exhibit similar behaviour.Don't twist and twirl..what others mean TerryJ-Ho 09:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Stop spouting accusations. This matter has already been taken up at WP:RFCU and the checkuser was not conclusive. Statements that imply that sockpuppeteering is taking place can be construed as personal attacks. Please cease this immediately. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 15:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Not against me

HI mate, you were not rallying against me personally, but at the same time, I would like to point out that few remarks were unwarranted in that page. Keep editing and have a good day  Doctor Bruno  02:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

User:129.112.109.250 may be a sockpuppet for user:kennethtennyson, both have the same views about India, and a habit of following me around on wikipedia. Best watch out for the sockpuppet and it's anti-India stance in articles like Hindutva etc. I Informed you because I noticed you were editors in some of those articles as well. Freedom skies 18:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Genocide

Can you please help me find a neutral source which states that Direct Action Day and following Partition riots was a form of genocide. I wrote quite a bit on it, but it was removed, and rightly removed considering I hadn't provided a source which claimed it was genocide. All I have found is this and this. Both are not neutral sources. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 00:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that the term genocide did not exist back then, so the Subodh Ghosh articles don't use the term.However, I will look into what later works say. Consider it in my todo list.Hkelkar 00:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey man how about your own ref page 7 below:

“ These sudden killers were ordinary men and women going about their daily lives; the turbulent spiral of a single event turned them into sadistic assassins, or stunned witnesses to the horrors of genocide. ”

http://www.sarai.net/journal/06_pdf/05/04_debjani.pdf

Hkelkar 00:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Do a google books search for "Bloodbath in Bangla Desh" by Praboth Chandra. The UT library has it in storage and I have placed a request to retrieve it. It should happen in 3-5 days and then I'll let you know.Why don;t you email me from wikipedia interface?Hkelkar 01:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ho Hum

{{wr1}} for removing this warning.TerryJ-Ho 21:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

A bogus warning, as mediator agrees with me.See warnings to TerryJ-Ho by admins below.Hkelkar 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > Provide proof on which mediator agreed to remove the warnings?

• > Sir Nicholas to confirm whether this is correct?Is it a specific warning to me..Why?

copied from above "See warnings to TerryJ-Ho by admins below.Hkelkar 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)"

• >I will take back any warnings if you show proof of the mediator's communication..Thanks TerryJ-Ho 21:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Support from mediator regarding Mkhan's sock army and subsequent abuse:

Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mujeerkhan

In particular, read mediator Martinp23's comments.Hkelkar 22:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > When you removed the warnings and wrote that mediators agreed with you - you gave an impression that mediators agreed with the removal of the warning itself.From your proof it appears you are rather referring to a construed agreement that happened on an entirely different issue some times back in history.My warning to you is on using uncivil language and using words that could imply that Wikipedia is a battlefield (by now you should be very well aware what these mean).Mkhan or any other user may be misusing socks but that does not mean that you should use language that exacerbates the editing environment and worse then mislead others into believing what is apparently not the case.My warnings stand..you may seek any admin's help in removing them.TerryJ-Ho 10:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on your tendentious remarks on the Tipu Sultan mediation, I will have to say that the pot calls the kettle black, indeed.Plus, you have yet to establish by canonical arguments that the remarks were incivil. Besides, since they are not directed at anyone other than myself they do not count as incivil towards anyone (except maybe myself, and I officially forgive me :-) ).Hkelkar 10:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• > I have asked you on numerous occasions not to rake up historical accounts to justify your present misdeeds and for sure now that you want to turn the tables against me.What did I say on Tipu Sultan mediation that was incivil to another user:

This - "Can I ask you to refrain from terms like "Osama's pawns".These are denigrating and highly Uncivil TerryJ-Ho 22:55, 25 September "

• > You are not doing any justice to yourself by removing these templates.Only an admin can do so, your block is getting harder to be removed.TerryJ-Ho 11:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I did not remove the templates, merely unrendered them temporarily. Let's see what an admin has to say.Hkelkar 12:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

And as for who turns tables against whom, well, guess who failed in every attempt at propaganda on wikipedia (AfD of anti-Hindu, Tipu Sultan mediation etc.etc.) so far thanks to the tireless efforts of yours truly.12:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Your warning

Thanks Kelkar, I will let this warning remain as it is.However, you should note that by reorganising the page - you have tried to disrupt the natural flow of discussion that would make it difficult for anyone to decipher and decide. TerryJ-Ho 13:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

IRC

Hello. Are you online. Want to discuss something with you. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer IRC as exchanging mails takes too much time. - Aksi_great (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I notice that you are online just now. Could you join #wikipedia-in? - Aksi_great (talk) 19:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Indian caste system

The request for mediation has gone unanswered. What is your opinion on what to do next? Personally, I think the case is pretty simple. I'm asking you to provide some sources detailing the impact of the fatwa (on the supposed establishing of the castes) - all you're doing is providing sources detailing the fatwa itself that say nothing of its impact. BhaiSaab ^talk 18:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Well? BhaiSaab ^talk 20:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll get back to you in a couple of days concerning this matter.I suggest formal mediation (rather than informal cabal).Hkelkar 20:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you ask for assistance from an active MedCab member. I suggest User:Luna Santin or User:Keitei or perhaps, User:Kylu. Cheers. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 15:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Nadira

Hkelkar, plastering the Judaism template all over the Nadira page is not helpful. The article says that she is Jewish. That's all that's needed. Zora 23:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The template is "Jews" AND "Judaism" so it belongs there as she's Jewish.Hkelkar 23:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I really doubt it belongs in every page of a Jewish person. BhaiSaab ^talk 09:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it does. That's what it's there for :-) .Hkelkar 09:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar, that's like posting Hinduism template on every Hindu in another country or the Islam template on every Muslim in India, or a Buddhism template on every Buddhist in Russia, the list goes on. Perhaps, if you wish to direct people somewhere place a "WP Judaism" tag on the article talkpage.Bakaman _Bakatalk 15:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

S Seagal

Please see his comments on Talk:Bangladesh, where he is denying genocide against Bengalis in 1971. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 03:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Surprise ! Surprise ! A BARNSTAR !!

Hi Hkelkar, I have noticed your contributions for the last few days. You've contributed a lot. I really appreciate your work. As a token of appreciation, here's a barnstar for you -

<--Thanks for the Barnstar, moved it to my user page-->. Hkelkar 08:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I learnt that you're a Jew. Your name seems like a Bene Israeli name. But how come you are so much into Hinduism and the Indian right-wing. And BTW, can you speak Marathi ? Anyways, keep contributing...

--NRS | ^T/_M\^B 08:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Help with your Hindu Surname - Kelkar TerryJ-Ho 11:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I think you are referring to the verrrrry traditional Kelkars. My father's family is a bit more cosmopolitan actually, though religious.11:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Religious or irreligious - you are from a Kelkar family and your surname is a perfectly Hindu one not Jewish - Kudos to have a cosmopolitan family TerryJ-Ho 11:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sigh!Why is this so difficult for you to understand?My father is a Hindu. My mother is Jewish. They got married, had me, and I am Jewish by right of matrilineage.Get it?Hkelkar 11:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The issue is that you let us believe that you are Jew by matrilineage but normally in India your religion is taken from your father.On the other hand now that you are grown up and able to decide - you may choose to say that you are either Hindu,Jew,all or None at all TerryJ-Ho 11:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The Indian law books may say one thing, but Talmudic Law supersedes all :-). My papers identify me as Jewish only.The passport officer got confused once as he was not sure what "Judaism" was. It was pretty funny actually.Hkelkar 11:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not concerned with the user's religion and beliefs. Please cease this topic immediately. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 15:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

India-Israel relations

Sure, go ahead. My contribution there was minimal. I'll be happy to help with what I can. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 09:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Shiva's Trident

Looks like I was right all this time: [15]. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Only shows that some admins agree with you. others do not.Hkelkar 19:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's pretty conclusive; the account is indefinitely blocked. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

That action does not affect me one bit :) Hkelkar 19:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It will, because it establishes that you're a liar. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

No, it only establishes that some admins agree with you and abuse their powers wantonly.Hkelkar 19:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you plan to go against this action or leave it be? BhaiSaab ^talk 19:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

We'll see.Hkelkar 19:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll tell you right now - if you plan to go against it, you'll only embarrass yourself and enforce the idea that you're a liar. I have compiled a significant amount of evidence. I suggest you admit to this long-term sockpuppetry to save yourself, the admins or arbritation committee, and myself some hassle. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

And I'll tell you right now that I have several admins backing me right now.Hkelkar 19:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Then I know your decision. Time for the hassle I guess. BhaiSaab ^talk 20:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

What is your opinion on taking this dispute to the Arbitration Committee? BhaiSaab ^talk 21:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, you are involved in a request for arbitration. Please see this case. BhaiSaab ^talk 23:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Please add your statement to a separate section. Also, if you add any parties to the request, please be sure to notify them of the case as I have notified you. BhaiSaab ^talk 23:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

When you were having that conversation in the IRC channel, you didn't know how to find your own IP address. On the request for arbitration, you're explaining network interfaces. I find that quite interesting. BhaiSaab ^talk 00:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Physicists are fast learners. Just ask Blnguyen :) Hkelkar 00:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

A. Roy is pretty good with computers too. BhaiSaab ^talk 00:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

So are a lot of Category:Wikipedian physicists.Hkelkar 00:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure you know where this conversation is going, janaab. BhaiSaab ^talk 00:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)