Talk:List of WWE personnel

Mae Young Classic 2

Last year this page pointed women wrestlers with WWE contracts who competed in inaugural Mae Young Classic tournament such as PC recruits and NXT superstars. What about this year? For now PC's Deonna Purrazzo, Tegan Nox, Rhea Ripley, Kavita Devi, Jessie Elaban, Kacy Catanzaro, Reina Gonzales and off corse Io Shirai , NXT's Taynara Conti and NXT UK's Jinny and Killer Kelly are in the second tournament with free agents like Kaitlyn, Mia Yim and others who could have their own section (I know they don't have contracts but this could be pointed out before the table).

--Botchamaniac (talk) 20:25, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I just moved 205 Live, but I hope we're all happy :)

I slightly changed how 205 Live is listed on the page. It's listed like the other brands - a section for male wrestlers, a section for other on-air personnel - but is clearly shown as a sub-division of Raw. I hope this is a nice compromise that keeps everyone happy IanPCP (talk) 14:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done Ummmm!....... Yeah This one is ok I pick that. so No one can argue or can get confuse, go with that one. and yes The following section features talent signed with the company, but not assigned to any particular brand. In select cases, they are billed on-air as "free agents". written for unassigned roster, so why don't we put something like to define why separated. should I do? or ....... CK (talk) 15:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

I would say it's not necessary. Details like that should be on the 205 Live page, which is linked at the top of the section. IanPCP (talk) 15:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

They haven't officially said the cruiserweights are not on RAW anymore. There is no source stating that either. Yes, they have been mainly on 205 Live. Shouldn't a consensus be reached before making such change? Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 00:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

If you look at the way 205 Live is listing, it's as a sub-division of Raw; but with it's own sections for performers and other on-screen personnel, as a means of a compromise, as reaching a complete consensus doesn't seem likely IanPCP (talk) 01:18, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

While I'd prefer their own section, I can accept this compromise for now. Still less than ideal, but sufficient. Anon (talk) 05:00, 21 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk)

@IanPCP: When I made my comment, I was thinking you put 205 Live as its own section. It's good for now. But until it's confirmed that 205 Live is completely separate from RAW, it should stay. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 14:39, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Just found this little tidbit. Basically says HHH pulled the CWs off of Raw to keep them on their own show so they can be protected, and part of WWE's overall strategy to reboot the division. So it essentially says that they wanted the CWs to be their own brand, and not merely just part of Raw. Just saying. Vjmlhds (talk) 23:10, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

That is YOUR way of reading it, which is not supported by a WP:RS. Limiting their exposure has nothing to do with the brand. Additionally 411mania is not a RS so you need the original PW Insider reference to even support that. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 00:53, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

OK - here is the officially official source...point still stands though. Vjmlhds (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Again, it's your way to read that. "It was a decision made when Triple H took over as the showrunner of the 205 Live series as a way to keep the talents from being overexposed and to make sure they were kept in a position where they were protected. It was part of the company's strategy of trying to change the perception of the Cruiserweight division." HHH wants to protect the CW, but I don't read anything about "it's an independent brand", that's your interpretation, not essentially says because isn't in the text. BTW, on June 24 and 23, 2018, Alexander defended his title during RAW house shows. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by HHH Pedrigree (talk • contribs)

It very clearly says its own series, its specifically does not call it a brand. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:14, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

It's very clear HHH Pedigree just has a vendetta against it. How in any world did having it under RAW as 205 but not mixed in between the main roster and staff hurt anyone? God, you're being pretentious. There's enough reason to keep it separate, at the very least let the 205 Live have their own spot under RAW. - Anon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk) 04:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

205 Live is the name of the show, we organize by brands not shows. We don't list people who regularly appear on Main Event as such. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 11:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Main Event doesn't have a General Manager, it's own title, another rumored title coming, exclusive signings, nor is it ever called a brand. Hardly the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk) 07:35, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

205 Live doesnt have its own title nor is it called a brand - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 12:44, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

It's not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0plydydRgY This was Tuesday, and re-aired on youtube. "Leading this brand" is what the 205 Live champion said. Looks like it's a brand to me. Keep this up Gala and I will be reporting you to wiki admins. This is done regularly on Twitter, 205 Live, and other WWE Network programs.

Not its not. Wrestlers say stuff all the time that is not official. Paul Heyman calls the Universal Championship the Universal Heavyweight Championship, so you better go move that page. This is why there is the desire for sources to be WP:SECONDARY. Provide a source that is a RS that supports your claim. You cannot because it isn't its own brand. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 01:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

You left me no choice, I reported you and they're looking into your behavior. On a side note, further proof is on the WWE Performance Center's site where under the Journey they list success stories for talent from RAW, Smackdown, and 205 Live. Note: not Main Event, because that is a B-show and not a brand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk) 02:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

The cruiserweight championship is defended on Raw brand events. The PPVs are co-branded, yet don't list 205 Live as one of those brands. A wrestler referring to it as a brand doesn't make it one, they say stuff that is not official all the time. Please provide something official that states it, or any RS that calls it a brand - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 10:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Spoiler alert: NXT guys do RAW and Smackdown live events too. That doesn't confirm anything besides 205 doesn't have their own live events yet so this gives them work. Hideo was on the Smackdown tour of Japan. Gulak and Gallagher were at the last NXT show. Gallagher and Dar were at NXT UK. Nese did an NXT live event. That doesn't make them apart of NXT. And yeah, co-branded between RAW and Smackdown. 205 isn't apart of those events and neither are their competitors. PWInsider reported they're purposely kept away to be their own brand. If you want to discount that, fine, Triple H has said the goal is to have 205 be a touring brand with their own live events and special events (see PPVs) ala NXT. The only PPV appearances 205 has made in six months are Wrestlemania and the Greatest Royal Rumble, both of which had NXT talent appear too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk) 20:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

You might want to reread that PW Insider story, it calls it a division not a brand. If its actually its own brand, like you claim, then provide a RS that states it is. That should be easy if it was accurate. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 20:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

They call the UK NXT brand a division too. It's still a brand. They just use the terms interchangeably. It's all over the product. They constantly call it a brand on television, and that's where it matters most. Not WWE.com where they notoriously don't update things forever. IE: James Ellsworth is still not listed on the roster. You're using strawman arguments and changing the goal posts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk) 00:00, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Here is WWE on Instagram labeling Cedric Alexander as a 205 Live star and not a RAW star in the power rankings: https://www.instagram.com/p/BlLlRwLnC5U/?hl=en&taken-by=wwe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk) 03:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

205 Live stars listed separate from RAW on Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlLlRwLnC5U/?hl=en&taken-by=wwe

On top of being called a brand by those on television and WWE's Youtube, WWE's social media is listing 205 Live as it's own brand. The majority here feel it should be in it's own category as well. Perhaps now is the time to make the move. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk) 03:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

You have presented nothing new, since they always but 205 Live on these things. Its a division of the brand, not its own brand. You haven't provided anything that shows WWE officially considers it a brand, or a WP:RS calling it a brand. Wikipedia works on WP:V not what you claim the majority want. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:58, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Triple H, the boss of WWE on RAW listing brands "RAW, Smackdown, NXT UK, NXT, 205 Live". Boom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk) 10:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I've been in agreement with Galatz regarding how things should be listed...until now. Long ago, it was decided that we do things here according to WWE.com. Here's what WWE.com does: they list all champions by which show they are on. The drop down menu lists 205 Live as a show to search for superstars. Virtually everything is listing 205 seperately. I agree that it's likely time to make the move. 205 Live -- in my humble opinion -- should be listed after Smackdown and before NXT. Kjscotte34 (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@Kjscotte34: They are listed separately because they are a division of Raw, not a brand. If you look at the WWE 10k filing it lists their brands as Raw, SmackDown and NXT. The WWE's Cruiserweight championship page discusses how they started as a division of Raw [3], yet if they are not a division wouldn't it say so? Wouldn't it say they got their own brand? They refer to Raw and SmackDown as brands in writing constantly, yet never 205 Live. They don't have their own live shows, they tour with Raw. Beginning with Backlash they started saying all PPVs are dual-brand events, yet the cruiserweight championship is defended on these events, why not call it tri-brand? So other than a listing on WWE.com, which would be just as logical with a division as a brand, do you have anything that supports it? Any WP:RS? Anything? - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:15, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, @Kjscotte34: Galatz has a very clear vendetta against 205. He deletes talk discussing why it should be it's own section and tries to get anyone who disagrees with him banned. No matter what the consensus is here, he'll fight it tooth and nail, moving the goal post each time or use strawman arguments just to not give it credit. It's very weird.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk • contribs)

Bottom page 8 (14 of the PDF), of their annual report, which can be found here [4], states "NXT has now evolved into our third brand after Raw and SmackDown a". So as of when this was published 4 months ago clearly the WWE's official position was they had 3 brands. They were listed under 205 Live for a while. So what has changed since this report was published? - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:22, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

They said third brand, not third and final. There's five.

I've strayed away from the conversation until now, but I found the article on Lio Rush's 205 Live signing, which refers to 205 Live as the "purple brand" twice; in the body itself and in the article's subtitle. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Gala has said just one piece of proof and he'd accept it. There is the proof we need.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.213.92.177 (talk • contribs)

@32.213.92.177: Good try but I asked you for one, something you have continually failed to do. There is no rush to change things based on one article when there is not a trend in referring to it as that. The correct approach per wikipedia policy is to wait and see what it is referred to as and form a consensus, not jump on one thing. Especially since we many times have used the consensus to go against what WWE.com has, check out John Cena on this page as an example. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 11:43, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

At this point, I'm done with civility. You're such a tool who has such a clear vendetta it's alarming. Proof upon proof, from the product itself to the man in charge of 3/5 brands to a WWE.com article calling it such that you asked for and you still keep moving the goal post and clutching straws. You're exactly what's wrong with Wikipedia and the reason why people don't take it seriously. Instead of wikipedia representing true and factual information, you have a bias and let that be the story instead. Embarrassing and a sham. One day the mods will ban you for this behavior, and I won't feel bad for a second.

@Galatz: Ummm! John Cena, Oh Yes! Nickag989 already reverted my edit regarding John Cena as he did same thing as that IP did regarding 205 Live. I even tried to vandalize IP Talk Page, I spuriously added block templated on his account, even if Admins try to block him, or try to warn him, He will never accept any warnings, never realize his mistake, he just made Wikipedia a Court as he continuously engaged in arguments like a Lawyer fought for a court case. He is likely a Sockpuppet of Vjmlhds. I was talking that Now I can perform an edit regarding John Cena's Status as a reverting editor recently blocked indefinitely Nickag989 and retired from wikipedia, I said this because you mentioned John Cena listed under RAW on wwe.com . CK (talk) 14:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@Broken nutshell: Sorry, but I'm not IP 32.213 etc. I don't do socks...if I make an edit, I put my name to it. I went on record as saying I was standing down on 205 Live, and I meant it then as I mean it now...not worth the hulla-baloo. Don't appreciate the false accusations. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:49, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

New NXT Champion

Regarding tonights NXT tapings for the next month Tommaso Ciampa defeated Aliester Black to win the title Paulrossi93 (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Sami Zayn injury

Since long-term injuries are frequently listed in the Notes section, I thought it might be pertinent to list Sami Zayn's extended absence due to rotator cuff surgeries: https://www.wwe.com/article/sami-zayn-injury-interview (Also I don't edit Wikipedia very often; I hope this is the right way to bring this up)

Schaichopath (talk) 13:45, 26 July 2018 (UTC)