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October 22

Table of contents lost when logged in

I noticed this just today. Perhaps it's a temporary glitch. When I view a page while not logged in, the page's Table of Contents is generated in the usual way from the subheads. When I log in and return to the same page (or any page), the Table of Contents does not appear. I haven't changed a Preference that I know of. Any ideas? Tawagoto 01:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason i can think of why the TOC wouldn't appear at all is if you have changed the preferences. Even if you don't remember changing any preference, it may be worth going to your "my preferences", click on the "Misc" tab, and check if the "Show table of contents (for pages with more than 3 headings)" box is ticked.

If the TOC doesn't appear, but there's a small box with "Contents [show]", then you should click on the "[show]" bit. --`/aksha 01:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I didn't notice that option this was there. Tawagoto 17:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What to do - I believe a page should be moved, but may not even be worth keeping

I believe that John Lewis (department store) should be moved to John Lewis (department store) branches as that titl better reflects its content. However I'm not sure if it is even noteworthy at all; should I simultaneously nominate it for renaming and deleting, and see what the consensus is, or is there a special procedure for this.

Also, I am an employee of the John Lewis Partnership, and as such a co-owner of this. Does this mean I shouldn't touch any pages related to it to avoid adopting a [WP:POV|POV]]? So far I've added one article related to it, and I left a message on the associated talk page declaring my interest and left the message on the talk page of another user who had it on his todo list, asking him to check for POV. Is this sufficient, or should I refrain entrely to avoid falling foul of the rules?

Finally, sorry for the newbie questions, but thats just what I am. Many thanks, Davidprior 02:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Be bold. Move the page, then nominate it for deletion.
It does not mean you cannot edit the articles, certainly not. It does mean you should be careful when you edit the articles. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 03:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading Image

I didn't realize that you sent me a message. I was just trying to format my bio. I uploaded my picture, but I can't find it. How do you get the photo next to my name? Thanks, GaryGHuminy 04:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, your biograpy has been deleted under Wikipedia's Criteria for speedy deletion criterion A7 (biography that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject). All articles on Wikipedia must be about notable subjects, and all statements must be verifiable, and cited from reliable sources. Also, please take a look at our autobiography guidelines. Thanks, Tangot a ngo 04:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image reverted to previous version, but not appearing in articles

The image at Image:EmilyTTTE.jpg was reverted, due to a user initiating an edit war (on Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends)) without discussion, and changing the image at its source. This change was reverted.

However, since reverting, the image has not been appearing within articles. It links to the "image page" without a problem, but the image itself does not appear. Assistance would be appreciated. Gonzerelli 05:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just went to Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) and the picture appeared fine. Maybe it's just a problem with your computer (caching a version of the page when the picture wasn't there?). It defintely works fine for me. --`/aksha 02:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Literary Criticism

For a Literature project, I have to find some sources of literary criticism for The Picture of Dorian Gray. Unfortunately, I havent' been able to find any. With credible sources taking priority, are there any pages/links of literary criticism. Thank you.

Not sure. Try this question over at humanities reference desk. The help desk is for questions regarding use of the wikipedia. —Mitaphane _talk 14:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can I search Featured Articles for a specific topic?

I am a new Wikipedian preparing my first article. It is about a 17th century English colonial cemetery in Connecticut that has not been written about in Wikipedia. I am looking for good examples to follow. How can I see a list of Featured Articles (if there ever were any) that deal with cemeteries? --OWL 13:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't a direct way to search featured articles only. However, you can browse a list at Wikipedia:Featured articles. Oakland Cemetery is the only article with the word "cemetery" in its name, so perhaps that can provide you with a start? --McMillin24 _contribs^talk 13:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! --OWL 14:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Iraq demography.jpg

This map shows in the article about the Iraq Commission - maybe elsewhere, since it's not specific to that. (It's an excellent map, BTW.)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Iraq_demography.jpg

There is a color of "light blue" (my words) that shows on the map around Amarah in southeastern Iraq -- and between there and Nasiriah running down to near Basra.

The map legend does not identify what that color means.

Can someone check that and put the color in the legend, if appropriate.

Thank you, Joe Halbach,Sr Nassau Bay, Texas.

[NOT INTENDED AS ARTICLE CRITICISM NOR FOR PUBLICATION]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Iraq_demography.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iraq_demography.jpg

Well the image has no stated source. Looking at the wikicommons page it was uploaded by user Mesopotamia. I'm guessing he's the same person as User:Mesopotamia by looking at his edit history. Try asking him about it. —Mitaphane _talk 14:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

14:34, 22 October 2006

Carpetbagger article

(UTC)Rlboone1917ro←––-§–—…°≈≠±−×÷←→§Rlboone1917 14:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)r§14:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)14:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)~~r14:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)Rlboone1917rI tried yesterday to post an extension to your “carpetbagger” page and decided it was meant only for mensa people or rocket scientists, so I gave up.[reply]

What I tried to submit is verifiable by several books, an historian, and by my personal records. My flight log book which was kept daily is in my possession.

IIf this interests you the best was to ”talk” would be by e-mail because I am rather new to the computer and do have some difficulty with it.

Robert L. Boone [street address redacted]

Telephone # [removed]

I'm not sure I understand the problem you're having. If you're having trouble using Wikipedia, check out Wikipedia:Introduction and Wikipedia:Tutorial for a general overview of how to do things. Also, I've removed your telephone number -- communication on Wikipedia is done through user talk pages, never over the phone and rarely be email. -Elmer Clark 02:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Numerals

Hi: What is the preference of showing the possessive of a Roman numeral? What if the George IV's ... or George IVs .... I am very curious about this. I came across one the other day, but left it alone (III's). Since I am on the same subject: NASA's or NASAs? How would I show plural on the above examples? (NASAs?)

Regards, LarryBH

's would indicate possession. It is NASA's space shuttles, but there aren't multiple NASAs. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 17:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your assistance. LarryBH

Navigation bars

I noticed on some wiki pages that on the bottom there is a navigation box for all pages relevant to the main wiki...is it possible to create one, and if so, how would I be able to do it?

I think you talking about Templates. Just check that out. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 17:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More specifically there is {{Succession}}. Or did you mean something like {{United_States}}? If so click on edit and look at their source code. Shinhan 05:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fruit of the poisionous tree doctrine

I posted a situation that is confusing to me and to tell you the truth is just plain scaring the hell out of me and am asking for input from persons who may have some feedback regarding my situation. Perhaps this website is not what I believed it was for, and that was having some open communications with others that may be able to lend an opinion or assistance in where to locate that assistance.

Rusty —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rusty42 (talk • contribs) .

Sorry, we are a collaborative online encyclopedia, not a forum to gather opinions from people. You may have better luck elsewhere on the Internet. Good luck, Tangot a ngo 17:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would perhaps be helpful if you gave more explanation to clue people into just what you're talking about. Apparently, from your talk page, you created an article and it was deleted due to a lack of indication of notability. I'm not sure why this should "scare the hell out of you". You're not in any kind of "situation"; as far as I can see you're not being threatened with banning or blocking or any other sanction; you merely attempted an article contribution which was judged not appropriate. It might even be possible to create a better article about that subject (I have no idea exactly what it is since the article is deleted) that would be kept. And you should sign your posts. *Dan T.* 17:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, the deleted article concerned a real life situation the user was experiencing. It was a first-person account of what happened to them, and not a Wikipedia threat. Cheers, Tangot a ngo 17:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note that we already have an article on Fruit of the poisonous tree.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image question still confusing

Copy of the answer and my further confusion on this topic. Still unsure, still need clarification.

This was a question of mine in the last set of questions. Got an answer, partial, and followed on at that place. Nothing further. So I copy the answer and my further querry here, hoping for clarification. --Dumarest 18:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

We don't accept "Wikipedia-only" images, any more than we would accept "Wikipedia-only" text. They're not free content. Low resolution versions that can be used commercially and allow derivatives are absolutely fine, but we need a specific license (GFDL, CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, etc.). Once we have that, you would add the license template to the image description page. Note that the email indicating the license release should go to permissions AT wikimedia.org, not to you. I hope that this clears everything up. Jkelly 16:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Fine, that is what I sort of thought. The permission is full, except that the image I upload must be the low resolution item [with the copyrigtt holder identified so that if a full resolution version is wanted, the 'owner' can be contacted. But I gather the e-mail MUST be from the copyright holder to Wiki, not fron copyright holder to me and I forward it to Wiki? --Dumarest 16:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Advise to new users regarding Trademark and Libel laws

I have tried to find information in Wikipedia regarding Trademark "infringement" and any articles on "Libel" but there dont appear to be any so I have taken the liberty to link to this external website here; [1] which I have also posted on this Wikipedia Help page that gives good helpful information. I feel that this issue is very important to understand especially to all new users who wish to chat in Wikipedia or any other public forums. I would like to add if I may especially to what Finlay McWalter pointed out previously on my talk page, and what all new users should be aware of is that, if any company specifically "requests" "not" to have its Trademark displayed publicly, then to do so would be an infringement,Fact Finder 04:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--Dumarest 18:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it can be an e-mail forwarded by you to permisions AT wikimedia DOT org. - Tangot a ngo 18:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean info (at) wikimedia.org?,OK I see that now its with permission instead so its permissions (at) wikimedia.org and not info, thank's for that Tangotango, Fact Finder 04:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think "permissions" was misspelled in the e-mail address above. *Dan T.* 12:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason Guy you are determined to have the word EC0PAVE dragged on to this and other pages, cross linked and edited in such a way that it constantly appears in the page meta tags I mean have a look at this Help pages source and you can see that the word EC0PAVE is added to the keyword meta, what this means therefore is that you are determined to have this show up in search engines and end up coming up in search results that point directly to you and your own comments and talkpages so my question is "who's on a mission"?, If you are after fame and recognition Guy, may I suggest that you are going about it in a totally wrong way and you are also making the Wikipedia Foundation (Wikipedia) look bad by trying use it as a personal platform to run your own PR and popularity campaign. Because you are an Wikipedia Administrator in a "Encylopedia" and not a chat forum, you should know better than to do this, I made a brief search in Wikipedia and the internet and it appears that you alone are the only Wikipedia admin that seems to follow this practise of cross linking pages to search words that point to companies and in return to you and your comments. You have also decided to drag the above EC0PAVE, GE0320, WEB Masters, Help1ng and fact1diot into here the Help pages where I presented this notice out of goood will to all new users about Trademarks and this article had absolutely nothing to do with the above mob. I sincerely hope that you are not out to try to capitalise on this word EC0PAVE AUSTRAL1A, GE0320 or any other trademark protected words that appears in Wikipedia just so that you could get recognition and advance your own "Talkpages"?. The worrying sign that shows me that I am correct in what I have just said is that you refused to acknowledge my question and request to "not" continue the practice to print the word EC0PAVE in my talk pages or have it reworded like I reguested so that it does not contribute to search results on this page or any other page, but as surely as night follows day you have done it again (Sighs shakes head). Also since you have made no mention about you being my "mentor" admin as I requested in my talk page, I must assume this means that you dont wish to be one and you dont wish to help a new user such as my self learning the ropes in Wikipedia which further shows that to do so would most propably interfere with your personal PR campaign in Wikipedia,(shakes head). My only hope Guy is that this sort of provocative bad will behaviour stops against me and other new users in Wikipedia,Fact Finder 11:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

People understand your comments; they just believe them to have no basis in reality. I can mention all the trademarks I want without breaking the law, so long as I'm not using them deceptively to confuse consumers about products. McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Xerox, Kleenex, Google, Rollerblade, Ping-Pong, Realtor (bet you didn't even know that some of these were trademarks!), Disney, Disneyland, Walt Disney World, The Greatest Show On Earth, Star Trek, Star Wars... and, now that I think of it, Ecopave, Ecopave, Ecopave, Ecopave!!!!! *Dan T.* 12:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Be my quest Dan (smiles) if you believe that they have given Wikipedia permission to have their trademarks cross linked and added to this pages (source code) keyword meta tags and hence posted to the internet, Good luck lol, Fact Finder 12:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC) Looks like we are going to be discussing this issue for a long time yet (lol), Im sorry Dan, but I can only say what I know, nothing more nothing less, this whole Trademark issue here is about "permission" to use and how it is used, my pont is that if the permission to show a Trademark word on a particular website source code which by the way has to be added on purpose (intentionally), is denied by the trademark holder, then this is a clear trademark violation and Im sure that many "new" users are not aware of this fact (smiles), see these interesting examples of Trademark use on the web and what damage its unauthorised usage can cause http://www.linksandlaw.com/news-update41.htm Fact Finder 13:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a good example which I would like to point out, above you can see where it says permissions@wikimedia.org it is obviously being changed to show only permissions (at) wikimedia.org so that it does not show up in the page source, this is my point in regards to all these other trademark words such as EC0PAVE, GE0320 also etc, come on guys lets have a "fair" suck of a sauce bottle here shall we, (laughs) Fact Finder 13:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you webmaster for deleting the words from this page's meta, I believe that I can now move on and concentrate at learning how to edit and contribute constructively in Wikipedia Encyclopedia without having to spend all my available (scarse) time responding and defending against provocative assertions and innuendo made by one one or two energetic admins. Fact Finder 10:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you're talking about regarding "meta tags"; nobody has ever been placing your precious trademarks in this site's meta tags that I am aware of. The meta tags are set up by the developers of the site, not the regular editors or admins. All that was under discussion here was your ridiculous assertion that it was somehow an infringement for people to mention trademarked names in the course of discussion: McDonald's, Xerox, Roto-Rooter, NutraSweet, iPod, Sony, Lexus, AT&T... Ecopave Ecopave Ecopave!!!!! I don't have the power to add or drop anything from the site's meta tags, so that's not even an issue here. *Dan T.* 14:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Mr Wikipedia Webmaster, here are four more links remaining that are still directing web users to these Wikipedia pages for the search names, EC0PAVE AU5TRAL1A, EC0PAVE GE0320 and GE0320,
PS; Dan, Dan, Dan, you obviously have no idea what is being discussed here, do you? oh, that reminds me, what was that entry test that you did in 1987 to mensa called again? (rolls eyes) Fact Finder 13:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

, Fact Finder 12:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how it's relevant what test I got into Mensa based on, but it was based on my SAT scores (740 math, 740 verbal = 1480), which were acceptable for Mensa entry in those days (though the SAT no longer is accepted because the test has been reformulated in more recent years to be less of a test of general intelligence and more an academic achievement test). And one of your links above is to aboutus.org, which is not a Wikipedia (or Wikimedia) site at all; it's an unrelated site that happens to use the same (open-source) MediaWiki software. Wikimedia Foundation has no responsibility for or control of that site's content. *Dan T.* 15:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Editor Review question

If nobody has reviewed me at my editor review for a while, am I allowed to delete the current reviews there and move my request to the top of the page so it would get more attention? I'd really like to know more about what people think about my contributions. --The Great Llama^{(speak to the Llama!)} 21:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't actually have an answer to your question. But i do have a suggestion if you're just wanting more people to reply to your reviews. I've noticed another editor who added something like "now on editor review" (with a link to their review page) onto their signiture. It seems to be a good idea - if you're just wanting more people to review you. --`/aksha 02:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. --The Great Llama^{(speak to the Llama!)} 21:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed to recover/salvage recently created page.

I have has several attempts at creating and saving a new page but it is not found on the site. I have tried several of the 'help' email contacts but have hd no response from anyone. Can someone please assist me to recover the page 'Police Rugby League (Victoria)'. Thanks, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VPRLC (talk • contribs) .

Do you mean Police Rugby League (Victoria)? It was deleted October 14 since it apparently did not make any claim about the notability of this league (see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, point #7 under "articles"). In general, you can find out what happened to a deleted article using the deletion log, see special:log/delete. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

YES that is the page I was talking about. The page was in reference to the Police Rugby League Club of Victoria, a first for the state of Victoria and notable for many reasons. It contains the same type of content and information as other sports/club pages on the site. I am unsure why my page was deleted, yet others exist that are no different to this one. Can you tell me please how I can have it included on the site as others have obviously been able to do. Thanks, VPRLC.

At this point, the page has been tagged for deletion as a recreation of a deleted page. I've added a notice that you'd like to discuss this. I'll leave a note on your talk about what to do now. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info, although I am still confused about it. Check out Oxford Cavaliers Rugby or London Skolars, these are just 2 of many rugby league clubs who have pages with the same content as our clubs page. Why are some ok and ours isn't. I can see no difference between them. VPRLC 03:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC) VPRLC[reply]

Rick, can you help me please with a direct link to my deleted page as I can not find it with a search under user name and article. This is becoming a bit too much trouble I think, for something that should have been reasonably straight forward. VPRLC 11:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Imitation

On Talk:Dalip Singh IP 204.42.25.213 has imitated other users and made personal attacks against me. I left the npa2 template on his talk page, but is there any punishment for imitating other users? T H L 22:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Given that personal attacks are very against the rules, i would think so. You should report your problem to Wikipedia:Personal attack intervention noticeboard. --`/aksha 02:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They had never been warned before, or edited for that matter. I went to report it, but I read that they had to have received both the npa2 and npa3 templates. I gave them the npa2 template, but I am wondering if imitation is a violation in itself. I had finally brought a long and bitter feud to an end without having to get 2 very good editors banned, and this person is trying to stir it up again. I would like this IP banned, but I can't get them banned for the PA alone. Would the fact that they imitated another user give me the right to report them despite them not being warned before hand? T H L 03:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

adding pictures

I'm a member, and I've noticed that there are alot of articles about important people that do not have pictures. When I go to "edit," there is no way to add a picture. How do I add pictures?Tiger4038 23:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)Tiger4038 (member)[reply]

To upload an image or other file to Wikipedia, go to Special:Upload (found as "Upload file" on every page's left sidebar toolbox). Before you upload anything, be sure to read the information presented on the upload file page and at Wikipedia:Uploading images. Very few images on the Internet are appropriate for use on Wikipedia, given copyright laws. McMillin24 _contribs^talk 23:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For details on how to add an image to an article, see Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. The most common way is to do it like this [[Image:[name of image]|thumb|A short text describing the image]]. So for instace, if I want to add a smiley to a page, I write [[Image:Smiley.svg|thumb|I'm a smiley. Cheers!]]. The result can be seen on the right. However, as Mcmillion24 says, be SURE that you understand the copyright reasons first! Oskar 23:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And be sure to add <br clear='all'> at the end (as has been done here) if you don't want the next section to overlap into the section containing the image. --hydnjo talk 23:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or you can use {{-}}. Chris M. 00:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh! Thanks that's easier to remember :-) --hydnjo talk 00:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 : I think "permissions" was misspelled in the e-mail address above. [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 12:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
-'''THESE ABOVE ACCUSATIONS ARE TOTALLY INCORRECT AND FALSE'''
-I copied this from page; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive140]
-since its a response to some accusations, [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 12:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
-My understanding after what I have been told by EC0PAVE, is that their people wanted to contribute into Wikipedia "in good faith" by adding articles about their company and products in the same way as many other companies have done in the past like for example [[Eco-cement]]. There was apparently some initial confusion concerning the Wikipedia guidelines and rules regarding editing and new article contributions and user access which may have led to some administrators jumping to the [[sockpuppet]] ([[spam]]) conclusions. What I understand is that because large amount of the readable information about these guideline subject matters is spread over a vast area in and is not easy to find in Wikipedia, has caused these users to continue to edit and add information about EC0PAVE and its products without realising that that their actions may have been mis-interpreted. This matter may have been made worse by the fact that there were '''3 admins looking into this at the same time''' and one admin actually requested EC0PAVE to give (send) copyright ([[Wikipedia:Copyrights]]) authorisations for all the article insertions. This lead to EC0PAVE making the conclusion that the articles were in fact ok and they were going to be accepted without any problems. Instead of these '''3''' Administrators giving a helping hand and giving guidance, they resorted to attacks and smear campaigns against EC0PAVE and its users. The above accusations by [[Guy]] Chapman that the company was deliberately running a spamming campaign in Wikipedia is totally incorrect and false and therefore misleading, also to turn insult to injury, some Wikipedia administrators and or users were sending EC0PAVE malicious email viruses to try to further prevent EC0PAVE from giving a proper response in defence.
-The real irony here is that [[Guy]] Chapman who is a Wikipedia administrator, appears to be running
-he's own spamming and PR campaign in Wikipedia by using 3 seperate IP addresses which are clearly designed to assist in bringing consensus into arguments against users who's article (ideology)
-is not in par with his. See this transcript of the discussion that took place with [[Guy]] on my talk page on 17-10-06 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fact_Finder] which was later discretely deleted by Guy, this also raises an interesting question, how many other Wikipedia Administrators are using multiple IP addresses so as to help achieve consensus in a debate? Here is also a very interesting transcript (what's left of the original after un-controlled editing) which appears in the Eco-cement discussion page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eco-cement [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eco-cement], which shows how the CEO John Harrison was forced to go through an agonizing experience trying to convince some administrators to have his company added into Wikipedia.
-[[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 05:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
-'''"IM OBVIOUSLY INSANE" says Guy, or is he?'''
-[[Fact Finder]] said, "It is totally unfair to accuse users without proof or proper cause, show me one thing that I have done something that is spam? Right, there is none because I am not a spammer, get your facts straight mister before you accuse people. Im a new user so there is a LEARNING CURVE here also and people make mistakes too, I believe that you are showing total disregard towards this aspect here NETSNIPE, your user name is already indicative of your intentions here, you appear to be hell bent on a SNIPE!!. For you to be a proper representative of Wikipedia policies you should show a little understanding towards new users instead of jumping to automatic negative conclusions. Iam seriously considering not contributing to Wikipedia if this is the treatment that people get in here maby this was a mistake or maby that's what you realy want which would begg the question "what is your vested interest maby Eco-cement??". I seriously hope that common sence and a bit of understanding and good will, will prevail here if given half the chance. I am more than happy to give this a go with assurances that I am not a spammer or a user with any malicious intent, are you?. In the name of peace and harmony I am willing to go as far as to say that, Netsipe you pick what name you would be happy for me to use in Wikipedia just so that we can get along here OK!. And the last but not least matter regarding IP addresses! In this  day and age of spam and viruses one would be totally insane to use a fixed IP address and be vulnerable for attacks, many companies refresh and reload their servers every day to erase span and other rubbish that is accumulated during the day therefore the IP address has no real meaning to measure or validate users intentions and is not a REAL indication of a persons intent as a sockpuppet which refers that a individual is malicuious. The ONLY method that has any merit is to LOOK AT THEIR WORK and ACTIONS ONLY!" [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 60.230.51.158. 06:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)| '''"This is not about the username and it's not about other users, it's about ''you'' and ''your'' behaviour. If you want to edit Wikipedia you need to go back to one of your other accounts, request unblocking, and indicate acceptance of policy and undertake not to spam again. Mind you, I'm obviously insane as I use not one but three fixed IP addresses". <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> 18:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)}}
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 For some reason Guy you are determined to have the word EC0PAVE dragged on to this and other pages, cross linked and edited in such a way that it constantly appears in the page meta tags I mean have a look at this Help pages source and you can see that the word EC0PAVE is added to the keyword meta, what this means therefore is that you are determined to have this show up in search engines and end up coming up in search results that point directly to you and your own comments and talkpages so my question is "who's on a mission"?, If you are after fame and recognition Guy, may I suggest that you are going about it in a totally wrong way and you are also making the Wikipedia Foundation (Wikipedia) look bad by trying use it as a personal platform to run your own PR and popularity campaign. Because you are an Wikipedia Administrator in a "Encylopedia" and not a chat forum, you should know better than to do this, I made a brief search in Wikipedia and the internet and it appears that you alone are the only Wikipedia admin that seems to follow this practise of cross linking pages to search words that point to companies and in return to you and your comments. You have also decided to drag the above EC0PAVE, GE0320, WEB Masters, Help1ng and fact1diot into here the Help pages where I presented this notice out of goood will to all new users about Trademarks and this article had absolutely nothing to do with the above mob. I sincerely hope that you are not out to try to capitalise on this word EC0PAVE AUSTRAL1A, GE0320 or any other trademark protected words that appears in Wikipedia just so that you could get recognition and advance your own "Talkpages"?. The worrying sign that shows me that I am correct in what I have just said is that you refused to acknowledge my question and request to "not" continue the practice to print the word EC0PAVE in my talk pages or have it reworded like I reguested so that it does not contribute to search results on this page or any other page, but as surely as night follows day you have done it again (Sighs shakes head). Also since you have made no mention about you being my "mentor" admin as I requested in my talk page, I must assume this means that you dont wish to be one and you dont wish to help a new user such as my self learning the ropes in Wikipedia which further shows that to do so would most propably interfere with your personal PR campaign in Wikipedia,(shakes head). My only hope Guy is that this sort of provocative bad will behaviour stops against me and other new users in Wikipedia,[[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 11:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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 so that it does not show up in the page source, this is my point in regards to all these other trademark words such as EC0PAVE, GE0320 also etc, come on guys lets have a "fair" suck of a sauce bottle here shall we, (laughs) [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 13:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
-Thank you webmaster for deleting the words from this page's meta, I believe that I can now move on and concentrate at learning how to edit and contribute constructively in Wikipedia Encyclopedia without having to spend all my available (scearse) time responding and defending against provocative assertions and innuendo made by one one or two energetic admins. [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 10:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
+Thank you webmaster for deleting the words from this page's meta, I believe that I can now move on and concentrate at learning how to edit and contribute constructively in Wikipedia Encyclopedia without having to spend all my available (scarse) time responding and defending against provocative assertions and innuendo made by one one or two energetic admins. [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 10:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
-I spoke too soon (shakes head) [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 22:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 :I don't know what you're talking about regarding "meta tags"; nobody has ever been placing your precious trademarks in this site's meta tags that I am aware of.  The meta tags are set up by the developers of the site, not the regular editors or admins.  All that was under discussion here was your ridiculous assertion that it was somehow an infringement for people to mention trademarked names in the course of discussion: McDonald's, Xerox, Roto-Rooter, NutraSweet, iPod, Sony, Lexus, AT&T... Ecopave Ecopave Ecopave!!!!!  I don't have the power to add or drop anything from the site's meta tags, so that's not even an issue here. [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 14:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 Dear Mr Wikipedia Webmaster, here are four more links remaining that are still directing web users to these Wikipedia pages for the search names, EC0PAVE AU5TRAL1A, EC0PAVE GE0320 and GE0320,<br>
-PS; Dan, Dan, Dan, you obviously have no idea what is being discussed here, do you? oh, that reminds me, what was that entry test that you did in 1987 to M3NSA called again? (rolls eyes) [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 13:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
+PS; Dan, Dan, Dan, you obviously have no idea what is being discussed here, do you? oh, that reminds me, what was that entry test that you did in 1987 to mensa called again? (rolls eyes) [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 13:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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 :I don't see how it's relevant what test I got into Mensa based on, but it was based on my [[SAT]] scores (740 math, 740 verbal = 1480), which were acceptable for Mensa entry in those days (though the SAT no longer is accepted because the test has been reformulated in more recent years to be less of a test of general intelligence and more an academic achievement test).  And one of your links above is to '''aboutus.org''', which is not a Wikipedia (or Wikimedia) site at all; it's an unrelated site that happens to use the same (open-source) MediaWiki software.  Wikimedia Foundation has no responsibility for or control of that site's content.  [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 15:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
-I was just high lighting where the above links were pointing to as in this case one is pointing to aboutus.0rg and the others have been since changed (edited) by someone that now point to somewhere totally different. Also in regards to the M3NSA Dan, you dont appear to be a member of M3NSA, firstly M3NSA (International) has "never" accepted or will accept a SAT result as a qualification to join as a member. Secondly, the basic test has not been changed or "reformulated" since 1985 which was two years before you apparently joined in 1987. Thirdly, the test is absolutely and positively nothing to do with ones academic status or achievments. And Finally Dan, can you please stop deleting my text and therefore turning facts into more fiction, [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 22:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC) PS, besides you would have been too young to sit for the SAT test anyway back in 1987 Dan, [[User:Fact Finder|Fact Finder]] 22:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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