Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brownhills West (Midland Railway) railway station

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Brownhills West railway station. I don't see any consensus (or, any substantive discussion) on whether to leave a redirect behind or just delete after merging. I'll leave that decision up to whoever does the merge. Whatever happens, make sure you provide proper attribution via some procedure complying with our licensing requirements. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Brownhills West (Midland Railway) railway station

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A dearth of reliable sources to say this station ever existed. It looks like it is being confused with Brownhills Watling Street and West may just have been local unofficial nickname to distinguish this station from Brownhills. Nthep (talk) 15:45, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. – The Grid (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. – The Grid (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. Doubt it. The three stations seem to have been in completely different places. And note that Brownhills West still exists (albeit in a slightly different place) and is the terminus of the heritage Chasewater Railway. That article explains that it was rebuilt after the previous station had to be demolished due to the construction of the M6 Toll motorway. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
  • No problem with the current Brownhills West or even the Chasewater railway building a Brownhills West and then having to move it but I'm having problems finding reliable sources to support the existence of a Brownhills West on the Midland Railway branch just Brownhills later renamed Brownhills Watling Street by the LMS to distinguish it from the ex-LNWR station of the same name. Brownhills (Watling Street) was a terminus for passenger services according to contemporary timetables and contemporary maps don't show any passenger stations north of Brownhills Watling Street (see also [1]). Neither do modern reference books like Quick or Clinker nor atlases mention a Brownhills West opened by the Midland Railway. Note the only source in the article is [2] which says Brownhills West on the Chasewater Railway is a newcomer to the region's railway scene and a newcomer to the Chasewater Railway as the M6 Toll Road, to add to the general catalogue of bad luck faced by the Chasewater Railway during its history, drove through the original Brownhills West station - the site of which today is directly under the motorway! With the compensation for the loss of their facility, the Chasewater Railway built its present Brownhills West station and heritage centre. So I think this article is based on a misinterpretation of this source in that the original Brownhills West mentioned is not a Midland Railway station but the first Brownhills West built by the Chasewater Railway and demolished when the M6 Toll Motorway was built and the original editor of this page has conflated the Chasewater Brownhills West with the original Brownhills (Watling Street). Other than the Chasewater Railway one of the few mentions I can find of Brownhills West is this blog which mentions two stations on the branch line from Aldridge, namely Walsall Wood and a single station in Brownhills which the author calls Brownhills West but is IMO Brownhills later Brownhills (Watling Street) on which we already have an article. Nthep (talk) 19:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
• Delete The station does not appear on six-inch OS maps from the period it was supposed to have existed (e.g. 1900, 1915). This is conclusive because these maps are sufficiently detailed to show signal boxes and even signal posts.----Pontificalibus 06:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Agreed, no station marked on historical OS maps at the place indicated by the map pin (or anywhere on the Walsall Wood extension). Merge the relevant material (ie, from 1985) to Brownhills West railway station. I don't think there is a need to keep the page for attribution reasons, it can be deleted after merging. Just a credit to the original editor in the edit summary will do; no one else has made a substantive edit. SpinningSpark 18:57, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
• Delete There's only one reference and it just mentions the Chasewater Railway station; that source also says the new station opened in 2004 when it was 2002 according to the article and 2001 according to better sources (Railway Magazine and Chasewater Railway). The old station probably closed in 2000 (according to Chasewater Railway Museum blog), and there seems to have been no station there before the Chasewater Railway. I would oppose merging from an article that is not supported by sources and is likely to be inaccurate. Peter James (talk) 19:16, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep Former railway stations are seen as notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia, and as separate articles. The article does need additional references but a lack of references is not a valid reason to delete the article. Rillington (talk) 14:25, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Rillington: As demonstrated above, this is not a former railway station: it never existed. Brownhills West railway station is a station on a hertiage railway, this article was created on the assumption that the station was in existence on the orginal Midland Railway, but it wasn't. The station was newly created by the heritage railway. ----Pontificalibus 14:36, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

• Merge @Pontificalibus: After reading your comments I checked the disused-stations website and the site covers the line but there is no mention of this station. Therefore, I have changed my view and am now in favour of merging the information in the article we are discussing into the Brownhill West article if the information can be verified from an independent source. Rillington (talk) 14:25, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @Rillington: I've struck your first comment for you so that you are not voting twice. SpinningSpark 16:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
    • @Spinningspark: Thank you. Rillington (talk) 20:34, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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