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This page was created by User:Ban kavalir after deleting a substantial portion of Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) and created the article, which is very biased and discusses a Croatian nationalist idea of the Triune Kingdom. Uncontroversial, sourced facts, such as that Croatia (Habsburg) "ended" in 1868 and became Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia has (previously) been changed to end in 1848 and the "Triune Kingdom of Croatia" has been pushed and presented as a "real" and recognized entity after 1848, despite it never being realized. The real situation should be restored (as I have done on the Croatia (Habsburg) page) and this page be deleted. The situation regarding the Triune Kingdom is already discussed (in its actual situation) here: Triune Kingdom. Even the Croatian page(s) show the Kingdom of Croatia to "end" in 1868 and the "claimed" Triune Kingdom of start in 1868. Havsjö (talk) 11:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 11:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 11:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:41, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Separate state era then the period of crown union with Hungary (keep the article)

The Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia (1848-1867) is a different era and state entity then the ones before 1848 and the ones after 1867. This is due to this facts:

Sabors proclamation of 1848 (Constitution)
Establishment of a new system of government
Establishment of a new constitutive law
Ending of the crown union with Hungary
Establishing of a separate entity with the Monarchy
Establishing of new institutions
Establishing of new state symbols
Establishing of new state functions
Establishing of new state titles
Establishing of new state administration
Establishing of new legal system
Establishing of new currency

ect This era is different due to the explained reasons, the same and even fewer reasons are used for the period of the Triune Kingdom (Croatia-Slavonia) 1868-1918 to be in a separate article. Also in Croatian historiography as well as legal system it is regarded as a separate state era due to all the mentioned. Not to mention that the article has at least five times!!! more texts, sources and materials then it had in the previous article, which alone would be the reason to start a more detailed article on that period. PS no sources or text were deleted, they were all incorporated into the new article, but as mentioned the article has FIVE TIMES more texts, sources and materials on the subject of the era of 1848-1867 SY dr.sc.Ban kavalir (talk) 08:35, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Even the Croatian page (and the [old english version]) for the Habsubrg-controlled Croatia shows accurate flags and years, while also detailing information about the 1848 revolution and subsequent years until the settlement in 1868, when the Kingdom of Croatia and the Kingdom of Slavonia, were merged into the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia. And even though the croatian wikipedia shows gives prominence to the "Triune Kingdom" in the article for Croatia-Slavonia, it at least does not claim it was already a thing since 1848(!) The very blatant push for the legitimacy of Triune Kingdom is very obvious.

Information for other people reading this about the Triune Kingdom can be read here and in many, many previous discussion in talk pages of many of the articles mentioned in this discussion. All of them detailing the nationalist and territorial aspirations and the idea of the "Triune Kingdom" in the late 19th century. Some more information and discussion on the situation that as been happening on these articles can be read on this talk page. This article is a total sham and its content should be restored or moved to a restored version of the Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) --Havsjö (talk) 10:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Content forking. We have Triune Kingdom to deal with the use and meaning of this phrase, which is not restricted to any particular period and did not usually reflect the actual state of things. As it goes, this multiplication of pages only increases confusion. Srnec (talk) 21:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a content fork. In addition, none of the related articles seem long, so there is space within existing articles to add useful/reliable information as needed.
Comment -- This area of history is not my area of expertise, but this seems to be trying to provide a more detailed history of Croatia from the 1848 revolution until the establishment of Triune Kingdom in 1867. In this period, the area seems to have been governed by a Ban as governor under the Emperor-king. The period is covered by Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg), but there is no reason why we should not have a more detailed article on this period. Whether this is capable of being it, I cannot judge. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Vandalisation of numerous articles -- We have a serious problem with vandalisation of articles regarding Croatian history by user Havsjö. His prevention of detailed articles of this period, deletion of whole entries and lack of reliable sources is preventing reflection on the actual state of things, by closer examining targeted country and period its more than clear that motivation is of chauvinist nature. (talk) 21:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 * '''Delete''' as a content fork. In addition, none of the related articles seem long, so there is space within existing articles to add useful/reliable information as needed.
 *'''Comment''' -- This area of history is not my area of expertise, but this seems to be trying to provide a more detailed history of Croatia from the 1848 revolution until the establishment of [[Triune Kingdom]] in 1867.  In this period, the area seems to have been governed by a Ban as governor under the Emperor-king.  The period is covered by [[Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg)]], but there is no reason why we should not have a more detailed article on this period.  Whether this is capable of being it, I cannot judge.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
+*'''Vandalisation of numerous articles''' -- We have a serious problem with vandalisation of articles regarding Croatian history by user Havsjö. His prevention of detailed articles of this period, deletion of whole entries and lack of reliable sources is preventing reflection on the actual state of things, by closer examining targeted country and period its more than clear that motivation is of chauvinist nature.  ([[User talk:KnezBorna2|talk]]) 21:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC)