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:If you want to request edits to the article on Ukraine, the place to do so is [[Talk:Ukraine]]. You'll need to provide a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for whatever changes you propose; I can't quite tell what you think needs doing there. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon#top|talk]]) 15:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
:If you want to request edits to the article on Ukraine, the place to do so is [[Talk:Ukraine]]. You'll need to provide a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for whatever changes you propose; I can't quite tell what you think needs doing there. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon#top|talk]]) 15:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

== Scientific Standards & Conventions for English Bird Names ==

(Forgive me if some material is repeated, but I have yet to master "talk" and "edit" and "contribute" commands & procedures.)

Dear WIKI colleagues,

One area for improvement in WIKIPEDIA is in the consistent application of strict conventions in scientific nomenclature. On the one hand national languages OTHER THAN IN ENGLISH are not consistent. For example, in Spanish proper names are not capitalized at all. On the other hand, names in Latin are absolutely strict, as well as are the complementary English names. In both there is no flexibility at all, and we specialists (e.g birders and scientists) can get quite confused dealing with complex subject matter in phylogeny when the lay-person offers up species with no clear names.

Speaking of the layperson, it cannot be over-emphasized just how important proper names are. Today the entire areas of phylogeny, taxonomy and classifications are in complete upheaval, due to the synergistic effects of digital and chemical tecnology developments. All flora and fauna are under re-evaluation since these developments came into play about 20 years ago.

So, an example: The english name of Geotrygon frenata (And here the editor may not allow me to apply the obligatory bold-face or italics for the Latin) is the White-fronted Quail-Dove. Notice that the hyphenated adjective has only the first word capitalized, while both words of the noun (A category) are capitalized. Please know that this is not some weirdo being picky. This is the convention. English species names are just that: specific, just like the Latin. One cannot change the way they are written because of personal preference, as is very frequently the case here on WIKIPEDIA.

Honestly, because I spend thousands of hours working with species of birds, trees, orchids, etc, I spend many of those here searching information and become quite confused in many cases because of this problem. In addition, I have published 2 bird guides and a CD with 253 species of birdsounds, so I have worked with the names intimately and on teams with numerous scientists also with publishing experience in bird identification and research.

Please help us ameliorate this in some fashion. There must be algorithms that would address the problem.

Things are reversed: inconsistencies of the layperson are dictating to science, whereas it should be the other way around. Bacteriologists make their own rules. Ornithologists make their own rules. Astronomers determine how names and concepts are treated within their area. The layperson uses the references determined by the specialists.

What a travesty that the entire list of almost 10,000 species of birds has been corrected wrong. Every single species of those 10,000 is incorrectly reported because the scientific conventions have been overridden by a non-specialist. ("List of birds by common name") In fact, three references listed for that list (National Audubon Society, World List of Birds & Birdlife International) have been utterly countermanded, so I'm not sure why they are listed; a reference should back you up!

Thank you, Douglas Knapp, biologist and conservationist.

Revision as of 14:38, 9 August 2019

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Unblock request

Hey Huon,

I turned my VPN off I didnt know that your not supposed to have VPN on while editing articles so yeah I cant add another unblock request on my talk page anymore so I thought I might let you know. Is there anything else that I'm supposed to do to get unblocked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NakhlaMan (talkcontribs) 09:29, 2 July 2019 (UTC) NakhlaMan (talk) 09:31, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@NakhlaMan: Since you're able to edit this page, you're clearly no longer affected by the block on your VPN's IP range. Your account was never blocked at all. Happy editing! Huon (talk) 10:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NantucketHistory

Thanks for the help. It was only after she did not respond to my concerns that I reluctantly blocked. I think she will be a great asset via GLAMDlohcierekim (talk) 00:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1956, Central Travancore

Hi Huon,

I was writing about the director, and found out about his latest venture, 1956, Central Travancore. I reached out to the team, and was given a synopsis and the cast details. It is my first time writing an article about a movie, and some of the others I looked at for reference didn't have citations for the plot. I see my error now.

Can I move the article to draft, instead of having it deleted entirely? Then if it does become notable, I don't have to start from scratch. Thanks! ColourfulKharacter (talk) 12:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@ColourfulKharacter: I have moved the page to Draft:1956, Central Travancore. Huon (talk) 15:26, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Trippy

Hey Huon,

I was just wondering why the page was refused exactly? You seem to cite non-reputable articles, but the official guinness book of records is reputable, no? I'm just curious what exactly I need to do to get this page published.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavryk87 (talkcontribs) 10:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mavryk87, Guinness might arguably be helpful (I'm not sure just how much fact-checking they do for information not directly relevant to the record they document), but that's not where the bulk of the draft's content comes from. His own YouTube videos or other social media definitely are not the kinds of sources we should base an encyclopedia article on. See WP:Identifying reliable sources for the kinds of sources we should be using. And then there's an entire section that cites no sources whatsoever. Huon (talk) 11:11, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thankseverso

Thx!
Thanks for that talk page archive clean-up. Muchly appreciated. Shearonink (talk) 02:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome, it was my pleasure. Huon (talk) 02:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikispecies

Wikispecies/Epilobium.Thank you for your help. I will read it again. With thanks. With thanksGigartina (talk) 19:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Woohoo

Happy Adminship from the Birthday Committee

Wishing Huon a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!

-- Mjs1991 (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Huan

Need you help in updating the new company logo on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakridge_International_School. Not able to embed the logo file here. The same has been updated on our website as well yesterday - http://www.oakridge.in/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Learnois (talkcontribs) 06:24, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Learnois: Done. Huon (talk) 00:08, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks very much Huon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Learnois (talkcontribs) 06:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for correction on Amaju Pinnick , Date of Birth

Thank you so much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alukoseyi (talkcontribs) 21:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove all fraud allegation article on Amaju Pinnick Page

Dear Huon, This Alukoseyi representing Amaju Pinnick, you assisted me to correct Amaju Pinnick date of birth few days, I was blocked after I trying to remove Fraud Allegation on Amaju Pinnick page ,Pinnick remains a member of FIFA's Organization Committee for Competitions having passed an integrity test and this is a man that has never been convicted by any court. The whole page got it wrong even from the date of birth which I had to ensure was corrected from 1-12-1973 to 1-12-1970. Please I want all those columns where allegations were mentioned taken off. Thank you.

Source :

https://www.footballlive.ng/i-passed-fifa-integrity-test-to-be-recognised-by-fifa-pinnick-amaju/

https://www.pulse.ng/sports/football/amaju-pinnick-nff-president-gets-fifa-appointment/pxyfbgh

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/sports/sports-features/220992-nigeria-football-chief-pinnick-gets-fifa-appointment.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.58.208.201 (talk) 18:57, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Alukoseyi: Sorry for the slow response; I was busy in real life. First of all, if your account was blocked, you should request to be unblocked on your user talk page, User talk:Alukoseyi. Using an IP (or another account) to continue to edit is block evasion and will see the IP address (or account) blocked, too. Secondly, the sources you present here are, in order, an interview where Mr Pinnick speaks, a report on something that happened in 2017 that gives the false impression that it were more current, and a 2017 press release about the same 2017 appointment. None of those can be relevant to 2019 fraud allegations, and removing those well-documented and highly relevant allegations on the basis of sources that don't say anything about those allegations is disruptive. We'll not whitewash the article in this way. If Amaju Pinnick's current legal troubles come to naught, there will be news reports explicitly mentioning that. Huon (talk) 20:00, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Possible IP use by banned user

Hi, I was wondering if this IP user could be User:Lachlb? Eldumpo (talk) 16:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Eldumpo: In the future, please make use of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. I'm not all that familiar with this particular editor and would have to do quite a bit of research to come to some conclusion. Also, the latest edit from the IP was twelve days ago; blocking the IP now would serve no purpose. Huon (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding page :- Sarish Kanungo.

I'm a PRO who writes about personalities, it's not promotion , it is about people. There are n number of articles/pages on actors and personalities who have been doing good work. At times only this happens or mostly they get published. Kanungo Sarish (talk) 12:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC) If you want I can give more references , then can it be approved ?[reply]

@Kanungo Sarish: What do you mean by "mostly they get published"? Have you written other articles that got published? If so, can you give a link to an example of your work that got published, please? Huon (talk) 16:12, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref anchors help

Thank you for the help with Ref anchors. I had been banging my head against a problem for quite a while and the information provided was the last bit needed for me to bring together enough insight to make a conclusion. Skullcinema (talk) 12:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine population

Edit Ukraine population in infobox Ukraine, only crimea and 42 million, wtf is that... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:111f:e1a:a400:f1c7:f6ac:bdc5:4349 (talkcontribs) 14:45, August 8, 2019 (UTC)

If you want to request edits to the article on Ukraine, the place to do so is Talk:Ukraine. You'll need to provide a reliable source for whatever changes you propose; I can't quite tell what you think needs doing there. Huon (talk) 15:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific Standards & Conventions for English Bird Names

(Forgive me if some material is repeated, but I have yet to master "talk" and "edit" and "contribute" commands & procedures.)

Dear WIKI colleagues,

One area for improvement in WIKIPEDIA is in the consistent application of strict conventions in scientific nomenclature. On the one hand national languages OTHER THAN IN ENGLISH are not consistent. For example, in Spanish proper names are not capitalized at all. On the other hand, names in Latin are absolutely strict, as well as are the complementary English names. In both there is no flexibility at all, and we specialists (e.g birders and scientists) can get quite confused dealing with complex subject matter in phylogeny when the lay-person offers up species with no clear names.

Speaking of the layperson, it cannot be over-emphasized just how important proper names are. Today the entire areas of phylogeny, taxonomy and classifications are in complete upheaval, due to the synergistic effects of digital and chemical tecnology developments. All flora and fauna are under re-evaluation since these developments came into play about 20 years ago.

So, an example: The english name of Geotrygon frenata (And here the editor may not allow me to apply the obligatory bold-face or italics for the Latin) is the White-fronted Quail-Dove. Notice that the hyphenated adjective has only the first word capitalized, while both words of the noun (A category) are capitalized. Please know that this is not some weirdo being picky. This is the convention. English species names are just that: specific, just like the Latin. One cannot change the way they are written because of personal preference, as is very frequently the case here on WIKIPEDIA.

Honestly, because I spend thousands of hours working with species of birds, trees, orchids, etc, I spend many of those here searching information and become quite confused in many cases because of this problem. In addition, I have published 2 bird guides and a CD with 253 species of birdsounds, so I have worked with the names intimately and on teams with numerous scientists also with publishing experience in bird identification and research.

Please help us ameliorate this in some fashion. There must be algorithms that would address the problem.

Things are reversed: inconsistencies of the layperson are dictating to science, whereas it should be the other way around. Bacteriologists make their own rules. Ornithologists make their own rules. Astronomers determine how names and concepts are treated within their area. The layperson uses the references determined by the specialists.

What a travesty that the entire list of almost 10,000 species of birds has been corrected wrong. Every single species of those 10,000 is incorrectly reported because the scientific conventions have been overridden by a non-specialist. ("List of birds by common name") In fact, three references listed for that list (National Audubon Society, World List of Birds & Birdlife International) have been utterly countermanded, so I'm not sure why they are listed; a reference should back you up!

Thank you, Douglas Knapp, biologist and conservationist.