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This is my first FAR listing. I feel that the article has some organization and neutrality issues. (lack of album reviews and critical opinions) I'm uncertain about the lead and the article does have instances of unreferenced statements, as well as questionable audio samples of two of her hit singles that hold questionable merit. I did state on the talk page of attempting to fix these issues in a timely manner, but I do think for now, that a delist would be appropriate. 100cellsman (talk) 05:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Also, I wasn't sure of who to notify for this article review, so I just didn't. 100cellsman (talk) 05:41, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

• Seems very premature to nominate it here (should be a last resort), the issues should be dealt with on the talk page, were it seems they have just been brought up, giving them little time to be addressed. FunkMonk (talk) 14:19, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

FunkMonk Perhaps I'm just wondering if even if the issues have been fixed, whether or not it would still meet the criteria.100cellsman (talk) 17:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

• This nomination should have been closed on procedural grounds a month ago, but since no one has responded on the article talk anyway, I concur that it's clearly deficient. There are unsourced statements, and it's obvious that anyone with an interest in the subject hasn't kept it current in the last several years. The "2014–present" section is WP:PROSELINE and contains barely any information on her activities in recent years. --Laser brain (talk) 11:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

To be fair, she's more concerned with family and her projects, so there wouldn't be a whole lot to add. I've been slowly getting myself to work on the issues I raised in the talk page. I need to carefully pick some of the critical views of her work which are constructive, summarizing and interesting; and to get rid of some likely trivial info. Though I feel bad for putting this article in the FAR because thinking back now, this article could be saved. I just haven't been editing as much as I used to. 100cellsman (talk) 19:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Well it still can be saved. :) --Laser brain (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

• I landed independently on the Kate Bush article and found it of poor quality for a FA. I wouldn't have passed it as GA. This feels more like a C quality. So I support the notion that this article needs reviewing. I found the lead to be an inadequate summary of Kate Bush. It fails 2(a) because the lead does not prepare "the reader for the detail in the subsequent sections". On reading further I felt that the article reads like a series of notes toward an article rather than the finished item. There are several very short paragraphs, including some single sentence paragraphs. It is a poorly written article. Example, the disjointed and trivial nature of this paragraph: "Bush's only tour, the Tour of Life, the ran for six weeks in May 1979, covering Britain and mainland Europe. The BBC suggested that she may have quit touring due to a fear of flying, or because of the death of a lighting engineer, Bill Duffield, who was killed in an accident during a warmup concert. Duffield was the lighting director for the Tour Of Life. On 2 April 1979, after a show at the Poole Arts Centre in Dorset, the equipment had been loaded for the journey to the next date, and he was having a last look around the stage area to make sure nothing had been left behind. Someone had left an open panel in the flooring. As Bill crossed the stage he tripped and fell 17 feet onto a concrete floor under the stage. He was rushed to hospital but tragically died a week later. . Mercer, who signed Bush to EMI, said touring was "just too hard ... I think [Bush] liked it but the equation didn't work ... I could see at the end of the show that she was completely wiped out." Bush described the tour as "enormously enjoyable" but "absolutely exhausting." It fails 1(a) "well written". I have not read the article in depth, but having read the lead and the Artistry section, I feel the article does not supply the detail required for an understanding of why Kate Bush is respected, and so fails the comprehensiveness required for a FA. The article appears not to have used a single book or academic sources, relying on media articles and internet sources, so is clearly not well researched, failing 1(c). SilkTork (talk) 19:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

SilkTork, I feel like the prose issues are mostly because of the unnecessary detail that disrupts the flow; I've seen some instances of that the article could do without. I'm also not sure if magazines count as "a book source". This article uses quite a bit of that. 100cellsman (talk) 20:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the excessive detail, and there is also the little errors "the ran for six weeks", "a week later. .", the magazine style prose "rushed to hospital", "tragically died", the bathos of "rushed to hospital but tragically died a week later". The oddity of statements like "quit touring" when she had completed the tour. You can only quit something you are doing. The paragraph is unclear in its intention, and appears to be random material on her tour put roughly together. If the intention was to describe and explain the long gap between The Tour of Life and Before the Dawn then there is a serious lack of research, too much weight on speculation, and little in the way of explaining the material discovered. It looks like someone did a Google search on the internet for "kate bush dislike of touring", and then cut and pasted statements from the first source found, a 2014 BBC entertainment column. There doesn't appear to have been the merest effort at doing further research and actually constructing something meaningful. There are books which go into more depth on the matter, such as Under The Ivy, and these are not hard to find, but they have not been used. This is not a FA standard, not a GA standard, not even a B class standard article. It reads like pretty much every other Class C article you can find on Wikipedia. There's been no research done, no organisation of material found, and little attempt to write it up in a meaningful way. SilkTork (talk) 21:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

FARC section

Concerns raised in the review section include currency, sourcing, and prose. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:12, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

• Delist. Tagged as lacking sources from June 2019 and for unsourced statements from July 2019. Article has had problems marked for longer than that, which I've corrected, but each time I fix one problem another seems to crop up a month or so later,[1][2][3][4][5] indicating that the article needs more work than just that tagged. DrKay (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Delist. Sufficient progress hasn't been possible on the issues listed. --Laser brain (talk) 12:40, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
• Delist. In addition to the discussion above regarding prose (that I agree with, and has not yet been dealt with), I think that this article's sourcing is poor, especially if we take in consideration the article's subject. The current sourcing is mostly made up of interviews in magazines and write-ups in blog-like publications. Kate Bush has been subject of coverage in scholarly publications and I find that the article does not reflect that at all. RetiredDuke (talk) 16:58, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. I don't have the right state of mind to improve this article significantly at the moment, especially since she is such a prominent figure in music. It could take months of planning and research to get it back to the top again. Whether or not it'd be from me, I hope that this article will get turned around at some point in the future. 100cellsman (talk) 20:50, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:57, 14 September 2019 (UTC)