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This is a biased (fails WP:NPOV) article that attempts to legitimize a non notable group of stock manipulators and, by doing so, the article itself is part the securities fraud online manipulation strategy known as short and distort. The article creator and major contributor — QRep2020 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic and appears to be closely tied to thr subject of the article, TSLAQ. All edits to the article from several different editors that talk about this group’s controversies, including how this group has a history of spreading rumors and false information, are immediately reverted by the clearly biased article creator. Iamchinahand (talk) 11:47, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 14:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:16, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• Keep There is no reason for this entry to be removed as the topic AND article as it was prior to the arguable vandalism conducted by Iamchinahand has been subject to much revision and discussion by myself, Phyronian (talk • contribs), User:Licentiatus (talk • contribs), and Schazjmd (talk • contribs) at Talk:TSLAQ; in fact, if you look at Phyronian's profile, the user appears to be solely interested in making sure the entry's language is not overtly supportive or approving of TSLAQ. All of the sources used on the article come from third-party reliable publications that themselves refer to authoritative/ primary sources. Iamchinahand (talk) has absolutely no proof besides articles which are emotively and not factually based that "securities fraud" is being conducted by anyone who has contributed to the article or the group that is the subject of the entry. Please remove this deletion request as I strongly urge the Wikipedia editors at large to keep and I ask that Iamchinahand (talk) be investigated for behaving in a manner that has no place at Wikipedia. Thank you. QRep2020 (talk) 21:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I did make my account to work on the TSLAQ article, as I believed there were important changes I wanted to implement on the article. I am not affiliated with TSLAQ, and I do not support the group's actions. Anyone can look at my edit history on the TSLAQ article and see that I have only wanted transparency on the actions of TSLAQ, many of which were opposed by QRep2020 for reasons I thought were illegitimate, again all documented in the talk section of the article. Phyronian (talk) 17:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• Clearly Iamchinahand (talk) did not even bother to read the rather robust TSLAQ Talk page as the user removed contributions from numerous editors who discussed their updates at length. This call for deletion is really rather unsubstantiated and likely for biased reasons. I'd also like to add that this particular entry has been repeatedly vandalized in the past and that if one examines the article's update history what is happening now looks very similar to what has happened in the past. QRep2020 (talk) 19:22, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Author of article claiming any other viewpoint is so-called "vandalism" furthers claim that this is a biased author and a poorly written article. The author reverts any edits, including edits from User:Tintdepotcom (User:Tinting2020) and User:Cihwcihw, that include mention of the major controversies of this group. This is a malicious group that will do anything to hurt Tesla, Inc. and Elon Musk (CEO of Tesla) for financial gains under the false-cover that they are "anti-fraud". The article is written in a fashion that gives credibility to what many believe to be a very malicious group without any mention of the group's serious controversy. Anyone that reads the articles talk page can see that the subject of the article is a malicious group. It is also apparent that the author of the article goes to great lengths to try to appear to be neutral and unaffiliated with the group in his so-called "Statement of Neutrality and Non-involvement". This is very fishy. I don't believe this article is worthy of a Wikipedia entry. Unless this article is rewritten to include more than the one completely biased viewpoint, it will be deleted. Iamchinahand (talk) 04:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I urge the editors above to read WP:Introduction to deletion process and WP:Deletion is not cleanup, and review WP:AFDFORMAT. I also encourage the editors above to read WP:THREAD and learn to format their talk page comments properly. Third, WP:Comment on content, not on the contributor. Schazjmd (talk) 14:17, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: This article should be deleted because it fails WP:NPOV, a fundamental principle of Wikipedia. The article can not be "cleaned up" because the article's creator reverts any edits that would make the article meet these guidelines. Further, the article's creator claims "vandalism" with all attempted edits to make the article satisfy the NPOV guidelines. Iamchinahand (talk) 15:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Iamchinahand, you're not making your case to me, I'm not the decider. I was trying to gently point out that this AFD is a mess. Schazjmd (talk) 16:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Iamchinahand, if that is the case then the article creator needs to be addressed, rather than the article itself be deleted. We have plenty of mechanisms for dealing with such actions, which include blocking of editors and protection of articles, but not deletion of articles on notable subjects. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:14, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

• Firstly, I have yet to see any evidence or argument in the AfD discussion as to the article's perspective being non-neutral beyond saying it is "apparent" (as in either somehow the perspective taken in the article is self-evident or known via intuition). Secondly, the claim that TSLAQ should somehow not be intellectually represented because they are allegedly "malicious" and conduct "security fraud" is irrelevant for the very reason previously given though misconstrued: Wikipedia houses reference to individuals, groups, organizations, etc. of all types, manner, focus, etc. and takes no normative position as to how "bad" or "good" the referents behave or are by nature. Finally, for now, these claims have been waged before on the TSLAQ talk page and were answered and discharged; as the article has not changed substantially since said dialog, the initial claims continue to possess no merit.QRep2020 (talk) 21:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)