Talk:Anime Expo

Replaced speculative elements of the previous revisions with factoids whose sources aren't so hard to cite. Things that could be added:

• Upload AX logo
• Upload a photo or two from AX
• Comprehensive list of AX guests of honor
• Attendance figure for each year's convention

--67.161.73.117 12:46, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

AX Logo

The Anime Expo Logo, and the Society of the Promotion of Japanese Animation Logo are copyrighted by their respective users. Without explicit consent, those logos may not be uploaded to the Wikipedia. --AllyUnion (talk) 1 July 2005 10:53 (UTC)

That would be trademarked, not copyrighted. Although look at other articles on corporations, trademarked corporate logos are shamelessly uploaded all the time.--67.180.209.147 9 July 2005 05:17 (UTC)

Why could they not be copyrighted as well as trademarked? -- Seitz 09:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I suppose you can copyright a logo, but a trademark offers stronger protection, so it's a moot point to do so. Would you like a crash course in intellectual property rights?--208.54.15.129 23:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'm always happy to learn something new. I was thinking of comic book and cartoon characters, which are commonly copyrighted and trademarked. My understanding is that copyright and trademark each offer protections that the other does not. For example, I don't think a trademark would prevent the logo from being uploaded to Wikipedia, since the logo is not being used to imply that Wikipedia is a product or service of Anime Expo. However, a copyright might prevent Wikipedia from using the logo, unless it qualified under "fair use". -- Seitz 05:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, now that I think about it, the logo is already copyrighted. Works are now automatically copyrighted by default. They may not have registered the copyright, but it is still protected under copyright law. -- Seitz 04:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyrights apply to a specific instance of creation. So going by comic book character examples, you can't copyright a character. A story with a character in it, or even just an illustration with the character, can be copyrighted, but that does not apply to the concept of a character. Similaraly, you can't use copyright to protect all instances of a logo. That's where you have trademarks that protect the design and concept. Also, copyright and trademarks work differently. Yes, all works are implicitly protected by copyright. For a trademark, you need to put on the (tm) symbol next to your logo. However, that is a weak form of protection and is on weaker ground for defence in court. The better form of trademark is the registered trademarkt, which needs to be filed with the US Patent Office. Then, you can legally put on the (R) symbol. Now, while copyright is almost universal, trademarks need to be registered individually country by country. That means a logo that's printed with (R) in one country may not be legal to be printed that way in another country.--208.54.15.129 01:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe that AX has a Service Mark on the logo. This may have been upgraded to a TM, but I'm not aware of it. Daroldhiga 23:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

AnimeCon 91

The history section starts with Anime Expo 92 and makes no mention of Anime Con 91. I've been out of touch with California anime fandom for ages; are people still trying to forget that? Wyvern 03:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• AnimeCon '91 is not Anime Expo and was not run by the SPJA. It was a separate event that just happened to share a lot of the same staff. --PatrickD 16:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• • The political history of AX dictates that AnimeCon 91 and AX be considered separate. But there wasn't anything forgettable about AnimeCon, and it wasn't bad blood either. There wouldn't be AX without AnimeCon, so it has a place in AX history as a footnote. Short of spinning the yarn about a subjective memoir, that might as well be all to say about it.--208.54.15.129 23:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a mention of AnimeCon to the History section a few months ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anime_Expo&diff=53274225&oldid=49839605 -- Seitz 05:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

In terms of Anime Expo's political history, you could also footnote the splinters of Anime America and Pacific Media Expo.--208.54.95.1 16:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Side note: Userbox

I just made a userbox for AX for anyone who is a fan of the con:

This user has atteneded ANIMEExpo before and loved it!AX

十八 05:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Editorialized History, Error in Organizational Structure

As full disclosure, I have been involved with AnimeExpo and the SPJA since 1992. In any case, I am changing the HISTORY portion, since being the largest does not automatically mean "premeire" and this may be interpreted as editorialized content. It would be best for all if this page were more neutral and not inject value terms like "premeire." Also there is an error in the Organizational Structure. Chair position was compensated in 2005 and 2006. In 2005 Chair and two vice-charis were compensated. Not all officers in the SPJA are compensated, its more accurate to mention that the CEO and the CFO are compensated. Also it should be noted that most compensation is not a "full time" salary. The CEO and CFO in theory can live off of the salary, but it is not a wage that can in any way be called market-competitive given the titles or responsibilities. Should this be moved to a separate SPJA page? I will make a few changes here in any case, if someone moves it to an SPJA page that is fine with me.Daroldhiga 23:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Please start the SPJA article.--Outis 23:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I think I violated my own rule here, "far below" is editorializing on the salary. Will remove the word "far." Daroldhiga 16:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Attendance

Can you really attribute 40% growth purely to a change in management? I think this is not very responsible. I will edit it. If someone disagrees with me they can change it back, but even with the political reorganization that occured in the 2003-2004 period, I think this might be a bit disingenuous. Daroldhiga 23:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, using the official numbers from the AX website (I had to calculate this once myself, but the figures sound about right) there was an average annual growth of 25% prior to 2004. In addition, since 2004, the average growth was 32% then 21% in 2006, suggesting that attribution of this jump in attendance to a change in management is not good public discourse. I will make corrections on the page, but I justify it here, but do the math yourself:

#	percentage growth year to year	average growth to current year
1,750	N/A	N/A
1,693	-3.257142857	-3.257142857
2,057	21.50029533	9.121576238
2,138	3.937773456	7.393641978
2,918	36.48269411	14.66590501
3,826	31.11720356	17.95616472
4,883	27.62676424	19.56793131
6,400	31.06696703	21.2106507
9,700	51.5625	25.00463186
13,000	34.02061856	26.00640816
15,000	15.38461538	24.94422888
17,000	13.33333333	23.88869292
25,000	47.05882353	25.81953714
33,000	32	26.29495736
40,000	21.21212121	25.93189764

Daroldhiga 00:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Edited Table Daroldhiga 01:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Fixed error on Table Daroldhiga 01:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to mention two things regarding attendance: 1) The more important value -- regular attendee growth -- is around 15%. As far as I know, this has remained constant longer than the up and down growth of all attendees (which includes exhibitors, industry, press, staff, etc.). The 2007 value will seem like no growth but the regular attendee level still went up 15%. (There were far less exhibitors.) 2) Since I oversaw Registration for two years (2006 and 2007), I have the data but I'm not sure if I should be posting data because that seems like self-referencing/self-publishing which is awkward. Even more awkward for me is having to wait until the AX site is updated in order to reference it.DrSlump (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Potential references

• Lillard, Kevin (2006). "Con Report: Anime Expo". Newtype USA. 5 (9): 99–101. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Mike Tatsugawa and Anime Con

I'm interested to know why Mike Tatsugawa was written out of the history section. He certainly played an important enough role in the convention's creation and history. A page detailing his numerous endeavors has been created. I can understand how the PMX split is also a sore issue, but there's no debating it happened. Maybe if it can be written in a NPOV manner it can all be put back in. For the purposes of his own article, I simply said there was a "management dispute" and left it at that.

Also, Anime Con is certainly relevant, but probably not embedded in this article. I created one specifically for it and did a minor edit to this article to hyper link to it.

Kensuke Aida 12:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Man-Faye?!

Ugh. Does Man-Faye really need the additional exposure in this article? I have nothing personal against the guy, but it doesn't exactly seem NPOV to claim: "but one that has stood out was Man-Faye" in the sentence about cosplay at AX. I mean, honestly now. That's a matter of personal opinion and can distort people's views as to the type of cosplay that is more common at AX.

I'm trying to be fair and neutral about this. He has his own article on Wikipedia about him and his dispute with the SPJA, which is all good and fine. A link to that would be preferable if it needs to be included. Kensuke Aida 07:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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Anime Expo → Anime Expo (event) — I've seen some people throw around the term "anime expo" to describe any of these "conventions". I request that this be moved to "Anime Expo (event)" and this redirect to anime convention with one of those "Anime Expo redirects here. For the anime convention named Anime Expo, see Anime Expo (event). I could have done this, but I just am wishing to see some consensus before we do this. Note, just like AFD discussions, I am not using this as a poll. I am using this for consensus. —ViperSnake151 00:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Oppose Every time I've seen the term "Anime Expo" used—note the caps, it is always in reference to the convention. I have not seen the term used in a different manner. And even if it was by a small minority, an appropriate hatnote would take care of the confusion. But moving this article to Anime Expo (event) will just add more confusion. --Farix (Talk) 01:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose, the term Anime Expo is not generally used in place of anime convention. I agree with Farix that a hat note would be more appropriate, as Anime Expo, with caps, is the most common usage of the term. Collectonian (talk) 02:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. I've never seen it used except to refer to the convention by that name. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 08:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. Anime Expo is an event by default. I do not see any other referebce for "Anime Expo". KyuuA4 (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

I'll be adding a hatnote. ViperSnake151 02:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it because you have not demonstrated that it is really necessary. You need to first demonstrate that the term is being used differently other then referring to Anime Expo. Can you provide examples showing the term "anime expo" used in place of "anime con" or "anime convention"? --Farix (Talk) 17:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

A hatnote would seem to be fine either way. Hatnotes aren't very intrusive, are they? Dekimasuよ! 04:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Image placement

Having the image on the left creates more far more white space between the infobox and the first section. It also disrupts the reading flow of the text since the eye naturally wants to follow a line down the left side, but the image indents the text and disrupts that line. By placing the image on the right, it fills in much of the white space and doesn't disrupts the flow of the text. That is why you never see profectional article place "interruptions" on the left or only in the first couple of lines. Ucla90024 (talk · contribs) is claiming that it creates white space between the lead and the TOC, but it does not. There is no more or less white space between the lead and TOC whether the image is on the left or right. Given Ucla90024's previous history on this article over a different image (see above), I suspect that he is not editing in good faith. --Farix (Talk) 00:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• That is not true. There are lot of white space when photo on the right side. You are not doing editing in good faith. You are very studborn. Ucla90024 (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)