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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:1815 establishments in Ceylon]] to [[:Category:1815 establishments in British Ceylon]] |
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The category covering the 1815-1948 time period is [[British Ceylon]] (and the [[Dominion of Ceylon]] for 1948-1972). We need to distinguish between the British colonization and [[Portuguese Ceylon]] and [[Dutch Ceylon]] and [[Vannimai]] amongst others. [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 05:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC) |
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The category covering the 1815-1948 time period is [[British Ceylon]] (and the [[Dominion of Ceylon]] for 1948-1972). We need to distinguish between the British colonization and [[Portuguese Ceylon]] and [[Dutch Ceylon]] and [[Vannimai]] amongst others. [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 05:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC) |
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* '''Alt rename''' to [[:Category:1815 establishments in Sri Lanka]], while there have been various kingdoms and various foreign occupations in the history of Sri Lanka that all had different names, it is probably a lot clearer to most Wikipedia readers and editors to use the name of Sri Lanka throughout the entire history of the island. 12:05, 13 June 2015 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 12:07, 13 June 2015
June 11
NEW NOMINATIONS
Category:Kingdoms
- Propose deleting Category:Kingdoms
- Nominator's rationale: Overlaps completely with Category:Current monarchies. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:27, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. There is no overlap at all. Category:British monarchy is in Category:Current monarchies, Category:United Kingdom is in Category:Kingdoms. 78.144.46.220 (talk) 23:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Reply A circular argument. The only reason that the UK is in Kingdoms is because somebody (who knows????) removed the re-direct from Monarchies. The reason that the re-direct was there was of course because of the perfect overlap. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:32, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment It should not be restricted to current anything, since there's nothing in the category name showing temporal restrictions. However, we have Category:Empires and Category:Emirates, existing under Category:Monarchies, so I don't see why we wouldn't have a Kingdoms category. Not all monarchies are kingdoms, since they don't all have kings. Monaco is a monarchy and a principality, and has a ruling prince, not a king or queen; Japan is a monarchy, but it has an emperor, not a king. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 04:52, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- Reply You have a good point about "current". The rule is that there should be a category for "Former Foo" as a child of "Foo". This means that there should be no such cat as "Current Foo" since all current entities are assumed to be part of Foo. So in fact Category:Current monarchies should be deleted. 20:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. There is no overlap at all. Category:Current monarchies is about those who rule a Kingdom. Category:Kingdoms is about the areas that are ruled by them. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:05, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- Reply That's not my understanding. A monarch is a person. The state ruled by the monarch is variously called the realm or principality or arch-duchy. The polity of that state is a monarchy. So "monarchies" refers to states whose polity is that of a monarchy, not the person of the monarch him/herself. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep as a sibling of empires and principalities. It seems like Current monarchies deserves a separate nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per Marcocapelle. -- Softlavender (talk) 03:29, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Category:10th-century establishments in Ceylon
- Propose renaming Category:10th-century establishments in Ceylon to Category:10th-century establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:940s establishments in Ceylon to Category:940s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:948 establishments in Ceylon to Category:948 establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:990s establishments in Ceylon to Category:990s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:993 establishments in Ceylon to Category:993 establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:11th-century establishments in Ceylon to Category:11th-century establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1010s establishments in Ceylon to Category:1010s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1017 establishments in Ceylon to Category:1017 establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:12th-century establishments in Ceylon to Category:12th-century establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:13th-century establishments in Ceylon to Category:13th-century establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1200s establishments in Ceylon to Category:1200s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1210s establishments in Ceylon to Category:1210s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1215 establishments in Ceylon to Category:1215 establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1220s establishments in Ceylon to Category:1220s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1220 establishments in Ceylon to Category:1220 establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:14th-century establishments in Ceylon to Category:14th-century establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1340s establishments in Ceylon to Category:1340s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1345 establishments in Ceylon to Category:1345 establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:15th-century establishments in Ceylon to Category:15th-century establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1410s establishments in Ceylon to Category:1410s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1412 establishments in Ceylon to Category:1412 establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1460s establishments in Ceylon to Category:1460s establishments in Sri Lanka
- Propose renaming Category:1469 establishments in Ceylon to Category:1469 establishments in Sri Lanka
- Nominator's rationale: We should move these to Sri Lanka as the main name. The name Ceylon (disambiguation) referring to Sri Lanka starts at 1505 for Portuguese Ceylon, 1656 for Dutch Ceylon, 1815 for British Ceylon and 1948 for the Dominion of Ceylon. Sri Lanka is probably best as the historical name. Ricky81682 (talk) 06:01, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Support, while there have been various kingdoms in the history of Sri Lanka that all had different names, it is probably a lot clearer to most Wikipedia readers and editors to use the name of Sri Lanka throughout the entire history of the island. 12:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Category:1815 establishments in Ceylon
- Propose renaming Category:1815 establishments in Ceylon to Category:1815 establishments in British Ceylon
- Nominator's rationale: The category covering the 1815-1948 time period is British Ceylon (and the Dominion of Ceylon for 1948-1972). We need to distinguish between the British colonization and Portuguese Ceylon and Dutch Ceylon and Vannimai amongst others. Ricky81682 (talk) 05:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Alt rename to Category:1815 establishments in Sri Lanka, while there have been various kingdoms and various foreign occupations in the history of Sri Lanka that all had different names, it is probably a lot clearer to most Wikipedia readers and editors to use the name of Sri Lanka throughout the entire history of the island. 12:05, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Category:Murdered ice hockey players
- Propose deleting Category:Murdered ice hockey players - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:Murdered ice hockey players - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: This is a trivial intersection. With the exception of Alcide Laurin, none of the deaths of the people currently so categorized was ice hockey-related, and Laurin's death was ruled not to have been murder. Huon (talk) 00:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. Should we also delete/upmerge the other subcats in Category:Murdered sportspeople? Neutralitytalk 02:56, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment shouldn't that category be scoped as Category:Sports-related murders instead of "murdered sportspeople" ? -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: The murders were only sports-related if the motivation or venue of the murder was sports-related. An athlete can be murdered and the murder can have nothing to do with sports. Softlavender (talk)
- Comment But as the nominator states, that's a trivial intersection, and not defining. Thus rescoping the category would present relevance. -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 03:49, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: The murders were only sports-related if the motivation or venue of the murder was sports-related. An athlete can be murdered and the murder can have nothing to do with sports. Softlavender (talk)
- Comment shouldn't that category be scoped as Category:Sports-related murders instead of "murdered sportspeople" ? -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Note: In theory the articles should stay in Category:Murdered sportspeople as they still meet the (implied) inclusion criteria for that category, but IMO that category (and its other subcats) should be deleted or have tighter inclusion criteria. (I assume the articles are already in subcats of Category:Ice hockey players). DexDor (talk) 05:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)