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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Almost all references are primary. GoFOSS, AlternativeTo and the F-Droid forums are user generated. Kuketz is self-published, MakeUseOf is very borderline (barely above a group blog) and AndroidAuthority is purely a passing mention. That leaves three articles by Moritz Termmel. I searched, and found no suitable book sources, or significant coverage in other reliable publications. It could plausibly be "presumed" notable, but in practice, I really don't think we have enough for an article, since it would be hard to provide even a basic overview without needing to "fill the gaps" with primary sources. DFlhb (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. DFlhb (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Please also see Talk:CalyxOS. CalyxOS is widely known in phone alternative "ROM" circles, and GrapheneOS supporters frequently criticize it. I'm trying hard to assume good faith here, but I've interacted with DFlhb before; They supported completely removing cited information on GrapheneOS involvement with the ANOM police sting.[1] IMO, the info' somewhat reflected badly on GrapheneOS and the primary developer. However, it is strange that XDA Developers does not include either in their 2023 "most popular custom roms" list.[2] In an article on the ANOM sting, XDA said "This is how the bootloader on a Pixel phone can be locked after flashing a security-hardened custom ROM like CalyxOS or GrapheneOS, and it's likely how the FBI also loaded ArcaneOS onto the Pixel phones they sold to criminals."[3] Alternative "ROMs" are a somewhat obscure topic for Wikipedia, and most of the articles have marginal sourcing, and a lot of COI editing, to be frank. There are more recent sources not included in CalyxOS. I can't get to the actual book, but the summary says: "There are actually a few of these, but the one I would recommend is CalyxOS."[4] Billionaire Jack_Dorsey's Start Small[5] is giving a million dollars to Calyx Institute and much of that will likely go to CalyxOS one of their primary projects. Almost any time GrapheneOS is discussed or sold, CalyxOS is mentioned, and sometimes criticized.[6] --
Yae4 (talk) 07:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 Doesn't meet [[WP:GNG]]. Almost all references are primary. GoFOSS, AlternativeTo and the F-Droid forums are user generated. Kuketz is self-published, MakeUseOf is very borderline (barely above a group blog) and AndroidAuthority is purely a passing mention. That leaves three articles by Moritz Termmel. I searched, and found no suitable book sources, or significant coverage in other reliable publications. It could plausibly be "presumed" notable, but in practice, I really don't think we have enough for an article, since it would be hard to provide even a basic overview without needing to "fill the gaps" with primary sources. [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 17:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computing|list of Computing-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:DFlhb|DFlhb]] ([[User talk:DFlhb|talk]]) 17:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)</small>
+*:* '''Keep''' Please also see [[Talk:CalyxOS]]. [[CalyxOS]] is widely known in phone [[List_of_custom_Android_distributions | alternative "ROM"]] circles, and [[GrapheneOS]] supporters frequently criticize it. I'm trying hard to assume good faith here, but I've interacted with DFlhb before; They supported completely removing cited information on [[GrapheneOS]] involvement with the [[ANOM]] police sting.[https://sigma.toolforge.org/timeline.py?page=Talk%3AGrapheneOS&users=DFlhb&users=Yae4&server=enwiki] IMO, the info' somewhat reflected badly on GrapheneOS and the primary developer. However, it is strange that XDA Developers does not include either in their 2023 "most popular custom roms" list.[https://web.archive.org/web/20230407002520/https://www.xda-developers.com/most-popular-custom-roms-android/] In an article on the [[ANOM]] sting, XDA said "This is how the bootloader on a Pixel phone can be locked after flashing a security-hardened custom ROM like <b>CalyxOS</b> or GrapheneOS, and it's likely how the FBI also loaded ArcaneOS onto the Pixel phones they sold to criminals."[https://www.xda-developers.com/fbi-backdoor-pixel-arcaneos-anom/] Alternative "ROMs" are a somewhat obscure topic for Wikipedia, and most of the articles have marginal sourcing, and a lot of COI editing, to be frank. There are more recent sources not included in [[CalyxOS]].  I can't get to the actual book, but the summary says: "There are actually a few of these, but <b>the one I would recommend is CalyxOS</b>."[https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22CalyxOS%22] Billionaire [[Jack_Dorsey]]'s Start Small[https://startsmall.llc/] is giving a million dollars to [[Calyx Institute]] and much of that will likely go to [[CalyxOS]] one of their primary projects. Almost any time [[GrapheneOS]] is discussed or sold, [[CalyxOS]] is mentioned, and sometimes criticized.[https://www.nitrokey.com/news/2021/nitrophone-most-secure-android-planet] --
+*:[[User:Yae4|Yae4]] ([[User talk:Yae4|talk]]) 07:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)