Talk:Lega Nord

News about Lega Nord and Lega per Salvini Premier

Hi all. Apparently in the last days there has been some major news and progress about the situation of the "double" party structure LN–LpSP. Now Lega Nord is officially under administrative control by deputy Iezzi. I think this is important news, and probably triggers new discussions about the future of the two pages Lega Nord and Lega per Salvini Premier. Here is the source. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Is it confirmed that Salvini is no longer federal secretary of the LN? We are in a sort of transition period. Hopefully, by the end of the year the transition of "national sections" from the LN to the LpSP ("regional sections", then) will be concluded and everything will be settled. As of now, unfortunately, it is not. The LpSP is no yet the final structure. Anyway, what we have long waited is eventually happening and will bring clarity. --Checco (talk) 01:26, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Some important news. Today the first regional sections have been founded: Lega Emilia per Salvini Premier, Lega Romagna per Salvini Premier, Lega Lombarda per Salvini Premier Lega Toscana per Salvini Premier --Facquis (talk) 17:22, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

In practice, the "national sections" of the LN are being re-established as "regional sections" of the LpSP. --Checco (talk) 20:38, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

There's recent news, I don't know much detail because I can't read the full article, but here it is from La Repubblica. Apparently they are going to dissolve the "old" Lega Nord tomorrow? Checco do you have more info? --Ritchie92 (talk) 08:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Uhm, no. I was able to read the article, which contains several inaccurate infos btw. However, the article explains that on 31 July 2020 the membership recruitment of the LpSP ended. As far as I understand, this year there was initially a separate recruitment by the LN, but at some point it was decided to award LpSP members (probably only in the North) with LN membership cards too. This created a debate within LN ranks as some people of the old guard, notably Gianni Fava and Gianluca Pini, wanted to be members of the LN alone—and had already paid for that. They would like also to field electoral lists. However, as of now, Salvini controls both parties. What is sure is that, unfortunately for us, this tale of two parties will continue for who knows how long. --Checco (talk) 12:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Article issues

There are a few issues that need discussing.

• 1)- Article assessment: The current assessment does not seem to be inline with the criteria. Three sections have "additional citations" tags (criteria #1) that has not been addressed.
• 2)- The lead seems to present more than a summary of the article as the basics in a nutshell. It does not need to be so long and in-depth to not only be difficult to read but to cause a potential loss of interest. An article can be promoted without five lead paragraphs including one that is extremely long. As a summary of sourced content found in the body there is an actual need to only source controversial or contested lead content and certainly not over cite (5 on one sentence) content. New information should not be in the lead.
• 3)- The "defined structure" is questionable. I noticed that Padania Libera Radio Padania Libera" redirects to the article but there is no actual coverage and I had to read the last sentence of the second paragraph of the Padanian separatism section to find there is only passing mention.

At least some of these issues could lead to an article reassessment if not resolved. Otr500 (talk) 14:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

As soon as possible, I will take some time to shorten the lead and find additional citations. --Checco (talk) 09:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Disinformation!

Hi, Why is the old name still reported here when the new name is just "Lega"? --Granata789 (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Current Ideology

The section on current ideology of Lega Nord seems extremely outdated and poorly sourced. A "Catch All Party", because a third of their voters in 1992, 3 decaded ago, were left leaning? Most current LN members where not even born back then, and voters are a terrible way to assess elite ideology. Similarly, supporting minimum wages is not a "liberal" position in any meaning of the word, and especially not in the Italian context; rather, it is the opposite of European liberal parties and a quite common position among Nationalist parties. And calling Mattero Salvini a former communist borders on defamation - according to Salvinis biography, he "went once" to a leftwing youth club and was never associated with any leftwing political party, let along communist. In fact, Salvini became a member at age 17, so when exactly was he a communist - in kindergarden?

A good example for this absolutely horrible section is this: "According to a number of scholars, Lega Nord is an example of a right-wing populist,[2][13][245][246] radical right,[245][247][248][249] or far-right party[250] while some see significant differences to typical European radical right-wing populist parties,[251] or reject the label of radical right as inadequate to describe the party's ideology.[10][252]"

So essentially, nine academic sources call it a radical/far-right/populist party, but that is of course equally balanced to 3 sources which doubt this - and are all between one and three decades old, basically admitting that the party shifted to the right since the 2000s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:2813:BB40:B026:CA0A:D5D0:8765 (talk) 18:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The quoted sentence is quite balanced. And, yes, Salvini was a member of the internal faction named "Padanian Communists" in 1997 and was later considered a left-winger before becoming party leader in 2013. The fact that several of the party's current leading members, including Salvini, Giorgetti, Molinari, Siri, Bagnai, Borghi, etc. (not to mention Bossi and Maroni) hail from the left is significant. The party is quite diverse. Just to let you know, last week the party in Veneto was close to voting a no-confidence motion against the lone right-wing member of the regional government and reclaimed the anti-fascist roots of the party (someone, like councillor Favero, a left-winger, went even further calling the Resistance a source of inspiration for the party's autonomist stance). --Checco (talk) 20:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Checco, there is a difference between "was a communist" and "was a member of internal faction named Padanian Communists". There is also a difference between "ppl in 1992 who voted for the party were partly left-leaning", which is a weak argument, and "the party leader and several leading members were considered leftwingers", which is much stronger and less biased (if you add by whom). I agree that that would be relevant, but why not be precise here rather than vague? Also, that very much leaves open the argument within most academic sources that the party shifted to the right starting in the 2000s and increasingly in the last 5 years. --2A02:908:2813:BB40:F5C0:A92F:726A:4171 (talk) 14:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)