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e:

Don't really understand how pay / pair have anything to do with [e:]. Need better examples, if possible.

ɦ

Why does this key (and the one for Estonian) use ⟨ɦ⟩ in addition to ⟨h⟩? [ɦ] is indeed often an intervocalic allophone of /h/ in many languages including English, but that is rarely marked in transcriptions of this kind. Nardog (talk) 10:53, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nardog: We also use [ç] and [x] for allophones of /h/, not just those two. So does Help:IPA/Estonian by the way. We might want to consider writing them all with ⟨h⟩. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 18:44, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just went ahead and replaced all those allophones of /h/ with ⟨h⟩. There were only a few transcriptions that used them anyway (and the alternation wasn't even consistent!), so restoring them wouldn't be difficult on the off-chance someone makes a strong case for keeping them. Nardog (talk) 18:42, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rising diftongues

Aren't /yö/, /ie/, /uo/ and maybe also /iu/ rising? I should find Fred Karlsson's book. --Per W (talk) 05:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC) I looked in it, but it does not say anything about /iu/. The other ones are at least classified as starting with a closed vowel and going to a mid one. Per W (talk) 11:00, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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