Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race season 13

Contestant progress: Episode 1

I don't think the "WIN" and "LOSS" colours should be darkblue and orange. It doesn't seem fitting, plus there's rumours that there might be a Top 2 in each of the premieres, so whoever wins the lip syncs, there block or whatever its called will be darkblue. If you don't understand go to Season 12's page and look at Widow Von'Du and Jaida Essence Hall in their premieres. XEssenceXOfXBeautyX (talk) 12:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

- If this will be the case, then it will be changed in a week. For something uncertain like that, the colours used at the moment are doing just fine. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 13:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think the text should be "WIN" ("LOSS" seems fine) because, according to accessibility guidelines, information should be conveyed by more than just color and this is going to clash with the challenge wins the second they start doing challenges. Not A Superhero (talk) 17:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

It would suffice to have WIN written black on a paler cell color, in contrast to the main challenge wins (white on blue). Also, they don't need to be marked in bold since winning those lip-syncs doesn't grant the contestants any reward, similarly to an All Stars contestant winning a challenge but losing the lip-sync for their legacy. This is what I suggest, using light green (used in the All Stars 4 table for the contestants who won their lip-sync in the LalapaRuza) and orange (used in the All Stars 1 table for the contestants who ended up lip-syncing when their team was up for elimination):

Contestant	1
Denali	LOSS
Elliott with 2 Ts	LOSS
Gottmik	WIN
Joey Jay	LOSS
Kahmora Hall	LOSS
Kandy Muse	WIN
LaLa Ri	WIN
Olivia Lux	WIN
Rosé	LOSS
Symone	WIN
Tamisha Iman	LOSS
Tina Burner	WIN
Utica Queen	LOSS

Gabrielrscott (talk) 22:45, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

This looks fine to me. Agreed. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 22:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I think the text should be "SAFE" because those queens didn't win the maxi challenge and it may get confused with the maxi challenge winners, Also, "SAFE" previously used in the All Stars 4 table for the contestants who won their lip-sync in the LaLaPaRuza and that makes more sense in this case. Additionally, I suggest using purple as "LOSS" since that color previously used in the All Stars 4 table for the contestants who lost their lip sync in the LaLaPaRuza

Contestant	1
Denali	LOSS
Elliott with 2 Ts	LOSS
Gottmik	SAFE
Joey Jay	LOSS
Kahmora Hall	LOSS
Kandy Muse	SAFE
LaLa Ri	SAFE
Olivia Lux	SAFE
Rosé	LOSS
Symone	SAFE
Tamisha Iman	LOSS
Tina Burner	SAFE
Utica Queen	LOSS

User:Bibopvin (talk) 3:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

WIN seems perfectly fine to me. I think it should be left as it is. I also think the orange is fine too. Let’s just leave it as it is, no need to keep changing it all the time. Billwebster91 (talk) 04:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed with Billwebster91. In All Stars 4 the contestants knew winning a lip sync didn't mean they'd win anything except staying in the competition. In this case, contestants either win or lose the lip sync. All thirteen contestants will come back in future episodes without a doubt since several looks from contestants of each group are seen in the trailers and ads, so it doesn't make sense to mark either WIN or LOSS in bold, because the outcome ends up being the same. Gabrielrscott (talk) 05:12, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I think it should be darkgreen for win and orange for loss as the colours match as said previously but the darkgreen and orange will contrast to show a clear difference between winner and loser of the lipsyncs Benjarviskalp (talk) 10:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think the orange is fitting for "LOSS", a red-ish colour is more appropriate in my opinion.

Contestant	1
Denali	LOSS
Elliott with 2 Ts	LOSS
Gottmik	WIN
Joey Jay	LOSS
Kahmora Hall	LOSS
Kandy Muse	WIN
LaLa Ri	WIN
Olivia Lux	WIN
Rosé	LOSS
Symone	WIN
Tamisha Iman	LOSS
Tina Burner	WIN
Utica Queen	LOSS

XEssenceXOfXBeautyX (talk) 11:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

This is more fitting XEssenceXOfXBeautyX (talk) 11:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Red is also used for when a queen is eliminated, or is in the bottom two. Using red for this is too similar and/or confusing. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 12:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah orange is fine. No need to over complicate things. Billwebster91 (talk) 02:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2021

Change Tamisha Iman's age from N/A to 42 Tamisha Iman's age (lacking in the chart) is 42 (October 16, 1978) Thecarld (talk) 04:32, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Tamiaha’s age has not been confirmed by RuPaul’s Drag Race, or any other reliable source. That’s why we keep N/A for now. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 08:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Contestant progress: Episode 2

LaLa Ri and Elliott have received close to no negative critiques and thus should be placed high.

Tina Burner was also praised, but needed to be reminded that cameras are her friends, which is a rather negative thing to be told on Drag Race. She should be marked as safe.

Gottmik and Kandy Muse received the most negative critiques and should be placed low. They were also expecting to lip sync, which means the episode edit was not trying to fool the audience.

Also, RuPaul saying that "this week, there are no bottoms, only tops" is a way to get faster to the lip sync (instead of sending each queen one by one to the back of the stage) because obviously, nobody was going to be up for elimination after the Top 2 queens were named. In past seasons when queens placed high or low, they always ended up being told they are safe just like in this episode, which doesn't justify marking "SAFE" to the high and low queens. The queens that have received negative or positive critiques should be marked as such. Gabrielrscott (talk) 04:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't agree with you, I think it should be :-

Lala and Elliott - High Tina - Safe Kandy and Gottmik - Low

If Season 12's premieres is going to be like that, why can't Season 13? XEssenceXOfXBeautyX (talk) 07:08, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Season 12 is different because they were called out in a particular order (in my opinion, they should all also be SAFE, but whatever). This episode was literally the same as Season 9, where they only called out the Tops and the rest were SAFE, as y'all can see on the Season 9 page. Tccph20 (talk) 11:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Ru announced that there were just tops this week and no bottoms. I think that should warrant the queens who weren't declared to be in the top to just be marked as SAFE with critiques. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ev1tttt (talk • contribs) 14:45, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Definitely agree that they should just be SAFE with Critiques. There was actually a lot of arguing about Season 12's first two episodes' rankings, and some more about rankings later in the Season, too. Honestly, until we can get an external source that is confirmed to not have taken their opinion from this article, I don't think we should even have episode progress rankings. Could the table possibly be locked each week until a reliable source is found? Unless they specifically say 'you are the tops, and you are the bottoms', in the episode itself, or have winning and losing groups in a group challenge, then we just have conjecture and speculation. 109.79.116.207 (talk) 15:12, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I can agree with putting Kandy and Mik as SAFE, but Elliott, LaLa and possibly Tina should be marked as HIGH... They got ONLY good critiques, just praise after praise after praise.♤MS♤ talk 20:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't know why there's all this talk when Ru literally said they're all TOPS. It's so obvious why is there still a big argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12BlueTrumpets (talk • contribs) 02:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

None of what you "think" or "agree with" matters. This needs to be sourced, and, until it is, it should stay as all safe. Nihlus 06:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

What kind of sourced info do u believe is needed for this? It's exactly what happend last season... Why should S13 be different? Elliott, Tina & LaLa got extremely positive feedback at their performances and were ultimately declared safe (literally what being HIGH means) ♤MS♤ talk 08:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Last season had exactly the same discussion and someone had to block the page so that everyone would just stop. But at least in season 12, they were called out in a particular order. This time around, they weren't even called out, it was just "Y'all are tops, y'all are safe". So, there's only tops and safes, and that's that. How can this be so hard to understand. Tccph20 (talk) 00:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Voting history

Source for the votes that weren't shown on the episode? We don't know if Elliott and Utica were tied with 3 votes each, for all I know they could be tied with 2 votes each and random people like Rosé and Kahmora had 1 vote, just like Joey Jay. This would mean a tie between Elliott and Utica anyway. Tccph20 (talk) 11:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Episodes

Why is the episode summary not showing up for episode 2? I put all the information in, but none of it is showing up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.105.129 (talk) 19:58, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

You didn't put the episode summary in the correct place. I fixed this and also included a description already. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 16:56, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Why is Olivia Lux hometown New Jersey, when its supposed to be New York? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.126.49 (talk) 00:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@82.46.126.49: She's originally from New Jersey (as she discussed in her MTQ video, for example). However, the show lists NYC as her hometown (see her Werk Room entrance), so I agree it should be New York. I'll make that change. Armadillopteryx 02:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

UK Series 2

Anyone experienced want to help out on the talk over UK 2's contestants progress chart because the ongoing arguments are silly. Thansk.