Talk:Joseon

About The Sin-Chosôn Kingdom/Tae-Chosôn Kingdom? Or About The Yi Dynasty?

If this article is supposed to be about the Sin-Chosôn Kingdom/Tae-Chosôn Kingdom (1392 A.D./C.E. ~ 1897 A.D./C.E.), then why does this article keep referring to it as a Dynasty?

If this article is supposed to be about the Dynasty that ruled the Sin-Chosôn Kingdom/Tae-Chosôn Kingdom (1392 A.D./C.E. ~ 1897 A.D./C.E.) and the Taehan Empire (1897 A.D./C.E. ~ 1910 A.D./C.E.), then that is the Yi Dynasty and there is another confused article supposedly about the Yi Dynasty.

100.2.24.15 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Those references are likely from an older name of the article, as the article used to be called "Joseon Dynasty" before it was moved to "Joseon" later. You are free to clean those references up. --Donald Trung (talk) 12:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Dates

The dates given for the Joseon founding are incorrect. The correct date is August 5th, 1392. 7/17 is the date in the lunar-solar calendar (17th day of the 7th month), which should be converted. It is NOT July 17th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SwangLA (talk • contribs) 16:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Common languages

Other documents in the History of Korea include Classical Chinese in Common languages, but Classical Chinese is a character, not a language, so this should be included in the Common script section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.36.134.215 (talk) 12:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Traditional Chinese is a writing system (i.e. script). Classical Chinese is a language. Classical Chinese is written in Traditional Chinese but they are two different things. — MarkH₂₁^talk 12:23, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Common script

Looking at the history of Korea, the pre-modern Korean elites wrote Hanja, which was borrowed from China, as a text, but they did not know how to speak Chinese without learning it later.

For example, Silla couldn't communicate with China (North-South Dynasty, Tang Dynasty) without an interpreter. Buyeo, Goguryeo, Baekje, and Kara (Gaya) were likewise different from China, and Chinese history books show how their language is interpreted as Chinese. In particular, the Baekje, Silla, and Gaya regions were originally regions where ancient Japanese was spoken, so their language was close to Japanese. Later, through the conquest and domination of Korean-language speakers from Manchuria, the language used was replaced with Korean, and Japanese speakers disappeared from the central and southern parts of the Korean Peninsula. As now, Japanese speakers are left only in the Japanese archipelago.

The later Goryeo and the Joseon elite also had to learn Chinese separately in order to perform interpretations with Chinese envoys or envoys sent to China.

The English version of Wikipedia evokes the illusion as if Korean elites spoke Chinese freely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanja — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.36.134.215 (talk) 11:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

It would be more accurate to compare it to the Latin language in Europe, Classical Chinese was the written language of the elites but it wasn't an actual spoken language. Just like that even within China the "Chinese language" isn't mutually intelligible among each other if they are from distant provinces but written Chinese remains largely the same. The written language in the infobox doesn't refer to any modern language spoken in China but literary Hanja. --Donald Trung (talk) 12:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

We should merge this passage with Korean Empire

They two are different stages of the same dynasty. Merging should be better.

That wouldn't make much sense, as the Korean Empire was a complete reform of the state, like how the First Republic of Korea ain't the same as the Second Republic of Korea, while both are still South Korea. It would make more sense to create a new article that includes both the Kingdom and Empire period and gives a short summation of both. --Donald Trung (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Gallery of the Royal seals of Joseon

I wanted to add a gallery of royal seals to the article, as Joseon used more royal seals (as far as I'm aware of) than the Kingdom of Goryeo. But I am not sure if this should be added to this article or the article about the politics of the Joseon dynasty or perhaps a specialised page for "Seals of Joseon and the Korean Empire".

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  before joining the Chinese tributary system period seal used about 10 years.
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  Ming dynasty protectorate period seal.
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  Qing dynasty protectorate period seal used between 1653 and 1776.
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  Qing dynasty protectorate period seal used between 1776 and 1876.
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  "Daegunjubo" designed to replace the former sergeant "Joseongukwangjiin".
  used as the seal of the king for documents such as appointment documents for high-ranking government officials and ordinances proclaimed in Korea.- between 1882 and 1897
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  "DaejoseonDaegunjubo" were used as ‘the seal of state’ for credentials in diplomatic relations with other countries.- between 1882

--Donald Trung (talk) 12:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

protectorate ? Pldx1 (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

My bad, wrong translation, I meant tributary state. --Donald Trung (talk) 16:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)