User talk:Ngancheekean

Yan Shiqi moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Yan Shiqi, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Onel5969: I have no idea why you did that Ngancheekean (talk) 15:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Because most of the article is uncited. I can move it back if you'd like, but than I'd have to gut it to remove all the uncited material. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Onel5969: Tell me how you are going to improve the articles. Ngancheekean (talk) 16:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I have no intention on improving the articles, I couldn't care less about the subject. You obviously are interested in the subject, you improve the articles. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Onel5969: I'm quite busy myself but I replied third time. Ngancheekean (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Yan Fei moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Yan Fei, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:14, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Onel5969: That's a problem what you are doing Ngancheekean (talk) 15:43, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

No, it's a problem what you're doing. Please familiarize yourself with WP policies, such as WP:GNG and WP:VERIFY. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:47, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Onel5969: It is really a problem what you are doing and you means onel5969 Ngancheekean (talk) 15:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He is a long time wikipedia editor. He didn't improve the article and keeps moving my page. Finally, he wanted to delete it. 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Moving articles to draft

Can you please explain what policy/guideline you were following when you moved this and what exactly compelled you to move an 18 year old article to draft space? CUPIDICAE💕 16:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Praxidicae: There are a lot of reason to move the page as you can see in Wikipedia:Drafts. Since you already moved it into mainspace, what do you want me to do. Ngancheekean (talk) 16:56, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

No, there isn't. Don't move an article that's already been around for a decade again unless you have a cogent reason within policy. CUPIDICAE💕 17:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Praxidicae: I don't want to say too much. Ngancheekean (talk) 17:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ngancheekean,

Only move recently created articles (say, 6 months old or younger) to Draft space. If you think an older article should be deleted, please nominate it for deletion at WP:AFD. If you have questions about article deletion or any Wikipedia policies, please bring them to the Teahouse where you can receive answers and support. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Yan Zhiyi moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Yan Zhiyi, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Onel5969: What did I do to you, that's you keep moving the article. Ngancheekean (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He is a long time wikipedia editor. He didn't improve the article and keeps moving my page. Finally, he wanted to delete it. 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Cao Zhi and Yan Liang

The problems with trying to attribute the White Horse poem being about Yan Liang: 1) Yan Liang isn't mentioned anywhere with a white horse. If one is to attribute that poem to be about a miliatry figure or even narrow it down to Guandu, why specifically about Yan Liang? Archery, career of errantry, fighting the Xiongnu and Xianbei, white horse, none of those speak of Yan Liang in particular. 2) Cao Zhi would have been eight or so at the time of Yan Liang's death so I wonder why he would have a personal reason to write about a (by the time he began writing) a dead general? Why, of all the officers of Yuan Shao, someone like Yan Liang would worry him so? Why write in such heroic terms for one who had died fighting against his father might not have been the wisest of ideas. 3) The poem more fits into a general subject of patriotism and expressing his wish to serve in a miliatry sense, something that Cao Zhi wrote about multiple times.

Might I suggest "The Incident at the Gate: Cao Zhi, the Succession, and Literary Fame" by Robert Cutter for a look into the meaning behind some of the poems of Cao Zhi?

If you find the article on Yan Liang unsatisfactory or wish to make the case for it to be deleted, might I suggest using the Yan Liang talk page to discuss what you feel needs to be changed? DongZhuo3kingdoms (talk) 13:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@DongZhuo3kingdoms: It is a simple chinese article which only need to be translated rather than writing from scratch. Fyi, the article was written by an annoymous 18 years ago, which provoked you. Ngancheekean (talk) 14:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Then feel free to, the article is accurate, translate it. Nobody is saying the article can't be updated, just it needs to be done properly.

I'm not sure I was provoked? Simply explaining why a poem (which I'm guessing your referring to) that has nothing to do with Yan Liang is not accepted in the Yan Liang entry. DongZhuo3kingdoms (talk) 15:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@DongZhuo3kingdoms: Cao Zhi has every right to comment on Yan Liang regardless what your excuses are. Ngancheekean (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course he did. Might not be wise of him to do but your claiming he was writing about Yan Liang. The first point I raised though is that nothing points to it being about Yan Liang and the third is what it generally seen as being about (and I provided a test that might be helpful) i.e not Yan Liang. So if you want Cao Zhi included in the Yan Liang, your going to have to use the talk pages to convince the other editors that the likes of Cutter are wrong. DongZhuo3kingdoms (talk) 18:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@DongZhuo3kingdoms: You can study however how much you can, if anything happens dont blame the others. Ngancheekean (talk) 16:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that? Not sure why others would be blamed for my studying? DongZhuo3kingdoms (talk) 18:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022

Your recent editing history at Yan Liang shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
14:52, 8 March 2022 15:36, 7 March 2022‎ 06:00, 7 March 2022‎ Rastinition (talk) 16:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rastinition: What did you update at Yan Liang's page? Ngancheekean (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not in your edit wars. This is all.

Sorry! I don't want to update or join the the edit wars in there. Rastinition (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Rastinition: Whatever that is I did not violate the rule and within the policy. Anyway, thanks for reminding. Ngancheekean (talk) 16:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to assume ownership of articles, you may be blocked from editing. Behavior such as this is regarded as disruptive, and is a violation of Wikipedia policy.In the wiki, no page belongs to you, everyone can edit it.If you have doubts, you should try to discuss your doubts. Rastinition (talk) 15:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

You said that Im against English. So funny, about their past working experience. Ngancheekean (talk) 15:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I copied my original text.In the wiki, no page belongs to you, everyone can edit it.If you have doubts, you should try to discuss your doubts.

By the way, I noticed that you seem to be getting belligerent, which is not good.At least I don't think my original text has the meaning of against English.You need to calm down and normalize your thinking. Rastinition (talk) 15:27, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Is a English history that im being dragged into and 'you' said about edit wars. Ngancheekean (talk) 15:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Yan Xie moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Yan Xie, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I have already said it at your talk page. That's all. Ngancheekean (talk) 15:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He is a long time wikipedia editor. He didn't improve the article and keeps moving my page. Finally, he wanted to delete it. 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Yan Jianyuan moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Yan Jianyuan, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Don't move my page. Ngancheekean (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He is a long time wikipedia editor. He didn't improve the article and keeps moving my page. Finally, he wanted to delete it. 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Yan Fei for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Yan Fei is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yan Fei until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He is a long time wikipedia editor. He didn't improve the article and keeps moving my page. Finally, he wanted to delete it. 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Yan Silu for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Yan Silu is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yan Silu until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He is a long time wikipedia editor. He didn't improve the article and keeps moving my page. Finally, he wanted to delete it. 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with Yan Fei. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He is a long time wikipedia editor. He didn't improve the article and keeps moving my page. Finally, he wanted to delete it. No idea what he is doing. 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Talk:Yan Han (Jin Dynasty), you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Talk pages are for talking, not backing up articles. Rastinition (talk) 04:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Yan Jianyuan

The article Yan Jianyuan has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

The article lacks any dates or time periods. No indication of why they might be notable and what they were protesting.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Gusfriend (talk) 00:14, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You cant do it. Go and improve the article. Your dragging me down. Ngancheekean (talk) 01:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

The article is during Liang Dynasty, so there is a timeframe. Ngancheekean (talk) 02:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Copying previous version of article to talk page

I just noticed that you have copied previous versions of the articles to the talk pages of Talk:Yan Han (Jin Dynasty) and Talk:Yan Jianyuan and wanted to mention that the talk page is designed for discussion of the page. Gusfriend (talk) 02:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Is not my problem you wanted a meeting which I think is unnecessary. Ngancheekean (talk) 02:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Ownership of content

Forgive the uninvited observations, I am more of a science researcher than a policy expert, and so I usually avoid policy commentary.

However, within your repeated statements, there is a tell-tail indicator, specifically, the phrase "my page".

That phase prompted me to locate WP:Own. I can certainly sympathize with a sense of ownership of one's work, and I do have a habit of referring to some of my contributions as "my page on 'X'".

To be succinct, the policy states

"No one, no matter what, has the right to act as though they are the owner of a particular article (or any part of it)."

I have managed to look at your original contribution to Yan Han (Jin Dynasty). All other issues aside, yes, there was clearly a paucity of citation (only one citation, and that in a fine language that unfortunately we poor English editors cannot verify. (Well, I did manage to ascertain that the Chinese source does assert that someone died at "age of 93", and fire was somehow involved with the coffin.))

If Yan Han is truly notable in the context of the English WP, regardless of most honored coverage in the Chinese language WP (please link in talk), then it would not be difficult to find English language citations. It is not my duty to find citations for Yan Han but this one took less than a minute:

Olivia Milburn (2015). Urbanization in Early and Medieval China Gazetteers for the City of Suzhou. p. 193. yan han of the Jin dynasty was known for his filial piety and for being .

All that is being asked of you is the same foundational requirement asked of all editors, that is, to provide sufficient citations all of your contributions. One citation requiring translation is insufficient, I know too well.

IveGoneAway (talk) 02:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

It does not matter even matter if is your page. Ngancheekean (talk) 07:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

About Yan Han (Jin Dynasty)

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Yan Han (Jin Dynasty) a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Talk:Yan Han (Jin Dynasty). This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge. Thank you. Rastinition (talk) 04:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

just follow wikipedia policy and not your thoughts. Ngancheekean (talk) 07:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)