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::Source 1: Doesn't aid [[WP:N]] as it's written by him. #2: Says he re-signed, and that's it. Routine coverage. #3 and #4 I agree (and posted in the last AFD) are pretty decently in-depth. These are the best sources about him. #5 is kinda routine coverage and doesn't really say much about him. #6 doesn't seem like a source generally used by Wikipedia and may not be reliable, but is also an interview which are given less weight for GNG, as they aren't independent. #7 Non-independent interview. #8 is less about him and more a play by play of a specific match. I don't think the specific source is one we'd consider reliable either. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 23:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
::Source 1: Doesn't aid [[WP:N]] as it's written by him. #2: Says he re-signed, and that's it. Routine coverage. #3 and #4 I agree (and posted in the last AFD) are pretty decently in-depth. These are the best sources about him. #5 is kinda routine coverage and doesn't really say much about him. #6 doesn't seem like a source generally used by Wikipedia and may not be reliable, but is also an interview which are given less weight for GNG, as they aren't independent. #7 Non-independent interview. #8 is less about him and more a play by play of a specific match. I don't think the specific source is one we'd consider reliable either. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 23:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Alright how about <ref>{{Cite web |last=Ciocchetti |first=Cecilia |date=2021-12-15 |title=Wunder thinks G2's LEC roster for 2022 is not 'looking that strong' |url=https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/wunder-thinks-g2-roster-for-2022-is-not-looking-that-strong |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Dot Esports |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Report: Fnatic agree to buyout for Wunder as team's top laner for 2022 |url=https://legacy.upcomer.com/report-fnatic-agree-to-buyout-for-wunder-as-teams-top-laner-for-2022/ |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Upcomer |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Vukobrat |first=Petar |date=2021-11-18 |title=Fnatic Have Reportedly Bought Out Wunder from G2 |url=https://www.esportstalk.com/news/fnatic-have-reportedly-bought-out-wunder-from-g2/ |access-date=2022-4-7 |website=Esportstalk}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Heath |first=Jerome |date=2021-04-06 |title=G2’s Wunder changes username to ‘NoWowFreeWin,’ climbs to Masters in League solo queue |url=https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/g2-wunder-changes-username-nowowfreewin-climbs-to-masters-league |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Dot Esports |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2016-07-09 |title=Splyce's Wunder: "In mid and late game, we're the best team in the league right now" |url=https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/16933075/mid-late-game-best-team-league-right-now |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=ESPN.com |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Geddes |first=George |date=2019-09-16 |title=G2 Esports fined for showing Wunder playing WoW Classic |url=https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/g2-esports-fined-for-showing-wunder-playing-wow-classic |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Dot Esports |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Li |first=Xing |date=2019-06-16 |title=Wunder clowns Vitality in Pro View |url=https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/wunder-clowns-vitality-in-pro-view |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Dot Esports |language=en-US}}</ref>? Also it's worth noting that although some of these are "kinda routine coverage" they have more info they just "he resigned", they talk about his accomplishements and statistics and his pllay. [[User:Chaddude14|Chaddude]] ([[User talk:Chaddude14|talk]]) 01:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Alright how about <ref>{{Cite web |last=Ciocchetti |first=Cecilia |date=2021-12-15 |title=Wunder thinks G2's LEC roster for 2022 is not 'looking that strong' |url=https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/wunder-thinks-g2-roster-for-2022-is-not-looking-that-strong |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Dot Esports |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Report: Fnatic agree to buyout for Wunder as team's top laner for 2022 |url=https://legacy.upcomer.com/report-fnatic-agree-to-buyout-for-wunder-as-teams-top-laner-for-2022/ |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Upcomer |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Vukobrat |first=Petar |date=2021-11-18 |title=Fnatic Have Reportedly Bought Out Wunder from G2 |url=https://www.esportstalk.com/news/fnatic-have-reportedly-bought-out-wunder-from-g2/ |access-date=2022-04-14 |website=Esportstalk}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Heath |first=Jerome |date=2021-04-06 |title=G2’s Wunder changes username to ‘NoWowFreeWin,’ climbs to Masters in League solo queue |url=https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/g2-wunder-changes-username-nowowfreewin-climbs-to-masters-league |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Dot Esports |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2016-07-09 |title=Splyce's Wunder: "In mid and late game, we're the best team in the league right now" |url=https://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/16933075/mid-late-game-best-team-league-right-now |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=ESPN.com |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Geddes |first=George |date=2019-09-16 |title=G2 Esports fined for showing Wunder playing WoW Classic |url=https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/g2-esports-fined-for-showing-wunder-playing-wow-classic |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Dot Esports |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Li |first=Xing |date=2019-06-16 |title=Wunder clowns Vitality in Pro View |url=https://dotesports.com/league-of-legends/news/wunder-clowns-vitality-in-pro-view |access-date=2022-04-15 |website=Dot Esports |language=en-US}}</ref>? Also it's worth noting that although some of these are "kinda routine coverage" they have more info they just "he resigned", they talk about his accomplishements and statistics and his pllay. [[User:Chaddude14|Chaddude]] ([[User talk:Chaddude14|talk]]) 01:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The searches by Mythdon are done incorectly, adding "Gamer" will not find results, as that is not a term used by any form of media or people in the scene. Try seaching -- "Wunder" League of Legends -Wikipedia --. [[User:Chaddude14|Chaddude]] ([[User talk:Chaddude14|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The searches by Mythdon are done incorectly, adding "Gamer" will not find results, as that is not a term used by any form of media or people in the scene. Try seaching -- "Wunder" League of Legends -Wikipedia --. [[User:Chaddude14|Chaddude]] ([[User talk:Chaddude14|talk]]) 22:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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Wunder (gamer)

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The article was deleted on the 8th of April after this AfD. An editor then went into overdrive and, unilaterally and without the text getting any approval, had the article back up after two days, now with some 85 instead of 4 cited sources. But does quantity translate into quality? I propose the article be deleted and salted. For a forensic analysis of the sources, or, more accurately, the lack thereof, check the talk page. -The Gnome (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Searches here and here do not show any sources that qualify as WP:SIGCOV nor establish WP:NOTABLE. The article appears to have been ref-bombed, giving the appearance of being a well-referenced article, but all 85 "references" are either trivial mentions, routine coverage or don't mention Wunder at all. Article appears to be a slick attempt (by whomever) created it to give the appearance of notability where little or none actually exists.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 01:13, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep I fail to see how articles such as these[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] count as "trivial mentions", as all of them are focused on the player specifically. Having 9 All-Pros, 4 Championships, and an International title make him one of the best Western League of Legends players of all time, and I think some of the people voting don't realize the significance of some of these "passing mentions". In most major sports just appearing in a single regular season game qualifies a person as notable, so when you note that the the League World Championships have has more viewers then the NBA finals for the past 4 years in shows that there are clearly some criteria lacking in what makes any esports player notable. Wunder is a household name in the most popular esport in the world, and he has 2 ESPN articles exclusively focused on him. Not only should this article be kept, the Wikipedia policy for League of Legends players should be clarified, preferably by those who have some knowledge of the scene in general. Chaddude (talk) 22:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Shout Out To Denmark | By Martin "Wunder" Hansen". The Players’ Lobby. 2018-03-16. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  2. ^ Hester, Grey (2016-11-29). "Wunder Re-Signs With Splyce". Dot Esports. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  3. ^ "Wunder: Splyce's strategic woes are 'easily solvable'". ESPN.com. 2017-03-09. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  4. ^ "Wonderboy: the rise of G2's Wunder". ESPN.com. 2018-10-26. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  5. ^ Suárez, Pablo (2021-11-16). "Sources: Fnatic signing Wunder as new LEC top laner". Dot Esports. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  6. ^ "Wunder: "I'm showing what I stand for to my team"". Hotspawn. 2022-02-03. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  7. ^ "YamatoCannon: "I think Wunder is GOATed. [...] His level of professionalism is exemplary"". InvenGlobal. 2022-02-11. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  8. ^ "Watch Wunder's huge outplay in extraordinary 1v3 against Team Vitality | ONE Esports". www.oneesports.gg. 2022-01-17. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
Source 1: Doesn't aid WP:N as it's written by him. #2: Says he re-signed, and that's it. Routine coverage. #3 and #4 I agree (and posted in the last AFD) are pretty decently in-depth. These are the best sources about him. #5 is kinda routine coverage and doesn't really say much about him. #6 doesn't seem like a source generally used by Wikipedia and may not be reliable, but is also an interview which are given less weight for GNG, as they aren't independent. #7 Non-independent interview. #8 is less about him and more a play by play of a specific match. I don't think the specific source is one we'd consider reliable either. -- ferret (talk) 23:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright how about [1][2][3][4][5][6][7]? Also it's worth noting that although some of these are "kinda routine coverage" they have more info they just "he resigned", they talk about his accomplishements and statistics and his pllay. Chaddude (talk) 01:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The searches by Mythdon are done incorectly, adding "Gamer" will not find results, as that is not a term used by any form of media or people in the scene. Try seaching -- "Wunder" League of Legends -Wikipedia --. Chaddude (talk) 22:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Ciocchetti, Cecilia (2021-12-15). "Wunder thinks G2's LEC roster for 2022 is not 'looking that strong'". Dot Esports. Retrieved 2022-04-15.
  2. ^ "Report: Fnatic agree to buyout for Wunder as team's top laner for 2022". Upcomer. Retrieved 2022-04-15.
  3. ^ Vukobrat, Petar (2021-11-18). "Fnatic Have Reportedly Bought Out Wunder from G2". Esportstalk. Retrieved 2022-04-14.
  4. ^ Heath, Jerome (2021-04-06). "G2's Wunder changes username to 'NoWowFreeWin,' climbs to Masters in League solo queue". Dot Esports. Retrieved 2022-04-15.
  5. ^ "Splyce's Wunder: "In mid and late game, we're the best team in the league right now"". ESPN.com. 2016-07-09. Retrieved 2022-04-15.
  6. ^ Geddes, George (2019-09-16). "G2 Esports fined for showing Wunder playing WoW Classic". Dot Esports. Retrieved 2022-04-15.
  7. ^ Li, Xing (2019-06-16). "Wunder clowns Vitality in Pro View". Dot Esports. Retrieved 2022-04-15.
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