User talk:Calton

It's clean-up duty, mopping up after the dishonest, incompetent, and fanatical. Can't imagine why you'd have a problem with that.

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Some ground rules before you leave a message

1. I am not an admin. I did not delete your page or article, nor did I block you. I may have, at the very most, suggested or urged deletion of pages or articles but I have no power or ability to do so on my own. I'm just an editor.
2. This also means, of course, I cannot undelete your page/article, nor unblock you. I can, however, offer you a cookie.
3. If you are here to make an argument dependent on arcane or convoluted interpretations of Wikipedia guidelines or rules, note that Wikipedia is not game of nomic nor a court of law. Adherence to common sense and rational argument trumps ruleslawyering, as far as I'm concerned. I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt, thankyouverymuch.
4. There is no Rule 4.
5. Do not assume I'm stupid, especially when arguing for something obviously untrue. I do not respond well to having my intelligence insulted.
6. Don't lie to me like I'm Montel Williams. Do I look like Montel Williams? Do I? NO? Then don't lie to me like I'm Montel Williams.
7. Especially bogus, hostile, and/or trolling remarks are subject to disemvoweling.
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Added by J.Epler 2/15/07

I disagree with your assessment that I am abusing this project as a personal web space. In fact, I've contributed useful photographs and other items for inclusion into the wikipedia project. Please do what you need to do to return my jepler user page to its original framework. I appreciate your speedy attention to this matter as I see my page is no longer accessible. Thank you.

WRAJ

MASSIVE update on the page. More information than you could want, so I think that will make everyone happy and there will be no need for the AfD tag, which I have taken down as I can't find a corresponding page to go with it. If any further updates are needed to the page, please let me know. - SVRTVDude ^{(Yell - Work)} 08:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I would like to know why, after the massive update, that the WRAJ page was still deleted? - SVRTVDude ^{(Yell - Work)} 11:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted at the AFD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WRAJ Internet Radio. If you object to this, you can start a deletion review about it. Metros232 11:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Orangemonster

There was probably something truthful in the above statement, somewhere, but I'm not bothering to go look for it since it's objectively false in every sense. It's a repost, nuked speedily after an AFD, which Orangemonster2k1 can't be ignorant of because he cast the only "Keep" !vote. Nice doesn't work with me, being honest does. --Calton | Talk 07:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Calton,

It wouldn't kill you to be nice and honest, you know. :) You're far to valuable to this encyclopedia to lose, but, come on, he's just a newbie who has obviously rubbed you the wrong way. I've advised him not to remove AFD tags, and hopefully that will be the last of it. Firsfron of Ronchester 08:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

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My Reply

My reply

--GordonWatts 16:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

In this reply to your buddy, Proto, I asked him how my link was any different thant the others, and indeed I make good arguments that will stand under the light of day.

If you could consider this... --GordonWatts 00:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• (→Your expertise - my bad - typo) --GordonWatts 00:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

About your comments on my user page

I wasn't aware that there was a limit on the number of links that could be included in a user page. I've removed them now.

Bonnie Ventura 20:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)Bonnie Ventura

My website

Thanks for pointing that out. I am restructuring the Australian section of my website, and as a result all Wikipedia links to Australian elections at my website will now need to be changed (or deleted). Since I am cutting back my involvement at Wikipedia it won't be me that changes them - someone else will need to. Adam 03:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

List of the Daily Show guests AFD

Since you voted on the previous AFD (here) I thought you may wish to vote again on the article's second AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Daily Show guests (2nd nomination). Cburnett 01:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Juan Cole

I'd like you to consider reverting your last to this page. There has been an extreme amount of discussion on the BLP and weight issues, and if you look at the talk page, you'll see that the version you've rv'ed from has the most support. <<-armon->> 06:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Unnecessary Purple Font

I've replied on my talk. Do you want me to paste my response here so you can get a centralized discussion? --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 08:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed?

May I ask why? I see it as a harmless joke, and, hey, I've eaten over 150 brains already. For now, I'm putting it back up, unless you give me a good reason to keep it off. - Bagel7 09:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

PS on valentines day too, ouch

Civil

You of all people have no business commenting on civility. Mr. Ray Lopez 05:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I was only banned for trolling, not sockpuppteering or any other creative thing you can come up with in order to justify your "crusade." Mr. Ray Lopez 05:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice, comparing me to Al Capone. Hrrm, name one sockpuppet that I have done, or name anything other than get on your bad side I have done and I would gladly leave the project. Can't think of one, can you? Mr. Ray Lopez 05:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you are incorrect. Those accounts were never mine, I never signed up for those. I either edited under "Ray Lopez" or IPs. Go ahead and request a check user if you want; judging from the check user results, those accounts were linked to Wikipediasleepercell1 and not Ray Lopez. Nice try though, and thank you for playing. Do not launch any further personal attacks at me again unless you have your facts and your house in order. Mr. Ray Lopez 06:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't think so. You're actually quite wrong. I'm sorry that you're so blind sided by the fact that you desire to be right so strongly. Perhaps you should talk over your passive aggressiveness issues with a psychotherapist vice taking it out on your "enemies" online. Mr. Ray Lopez 07:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely not the case

Talk pages are for other users to communicate with one another and it is specifically stated on WP:TALK that the only types of edits you may remove are

1. Your own
2. Personal attacks
3. Threats.
4. Vandalism

None of those were the case, and the fact that you reverted such changes without an adequate edit summary makes you impeding the editing process. I'm not trying to make an issue out of this or report you to anywhere but you plainly misunderstand how talk pages are to be used. What I'm capable of enforcing is entirely unrelated to the fact that what you were doing was outside wikipedia's stated policies and should be stopped. So please stop reverting other user's edits to your talk page. If you feel it is absolutely necessary, please use an edit summary to explain why. i kan reed 07:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

since I need to be "spoon fed" I thought I'd go extract the relevant text from the linked page

• "Don't edit others' comments: Refrain from editing others' comments without their permission (with the exception of prohibited material such as libel and personal details). It is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to correct typing errors, grammar, etc. It tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Never edit someone's words to change their meaning."

To my knowledge reversion counts as editing. It's not twisting the meaning at all to assert that deleting text is on par with changing it's meaning. It's uncivil to silence users you are having a dispute with, however wrong they may be in that dispute. i kan reed 07:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

OK fine

I'll have to do this point for point, because pendantry is the only appropriate answer for pendantry., 1. I DID NOT mean I felt I was incorrect about my statements regarding policy. It clearly states in the very first line of WP:TALK (emphasis mine)

• The purpose of a Wikipedia talk page is to provide space for editors to discuss changes to its associated article or project page

that's plainly stated for not just being for articles as you claimed. I was trying to avoid discussing policy because that can get in the way of meaningful communication. It was quite close to being libelous to accuse me of having false motivations in this matter. (Note: this is not intended as a legal threat, just a note that you went out of line in what you were accusing me of).

2. I did not "side" with anyone or anything. I also asked Mr Ray Lopez to reconsider his course of action because his "personalized", if you will, warnings do not match the neutral and calm tone of standard wikipedia warnings. The 3RR warning was directed at both of you. This was an understandable mistake on your part because it is a natural element of human psychology to attach sides to those you interact with. Please understand that I have no interest in this matter besides preventing inappropriate edit wars and reversions of talk page material.

3. Your links don't seem to tell me much of anything about why you reverted those particular edits. You make some accusations but that doesn't really seem to relate at all to the reverted material. They seemed to qualify as warnings regarding your behavior on wikipedia, and hence my involvement(I watch for negatives on user talk because frequently vandals remove content from their talk pages to avoid being blocked). And since it really does matter to you, yes I apologize for interefering, as it is a great deal of trouble for you over what must seem a quible. However informing users of policy regarding their actions still seems necessary to me. i kan reed 08:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I have a test to get up for in 8 hours and I can't address all of your concerns at this time, as I need sleep, however, I would like to indicate that you are engaging in wikilawerying(essay not policy) and I merely request that you reconsider your course of actions towards this user "Mr Ray Lopez". i kan reed 08:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Gordon Watts

After a couple of days of interaction - I think it's an entirely pointless endeavour trying to get behaviour change via discussion. Clearly, the idea is to wikilawyer everyone to death. I'll fully support any action you wish to make in regards to a community ban (I think limited to those TS pages) should do. --Fredrick day 13:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)