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Your comments on the Yasser Arafat page were quite apropos. Please stick around. --Viriditas 07:41, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Seconded. Between the unilateral changes and the Zionist conspiracy hysteria, it's been almost unbearable. Jayjg 15:38, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

By the way, given HB's latest comments to you, you might be interested in this: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/HistoryBuffEr and Jayjg/Evidence Jayjg 19:16, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Norman Maclean[edit]

Copying my response to yours at the Norman Maclean talk page. below.

Redirected Norman MacLean to Norman Maclean -"It's a terrible thing to spell our name with a capital L. Now somebody will think we are Scottish Lowlanders and not Islanders." - from A River Runs Through It --Calton 14:19, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • I thought I had done that already, for the same exact reason. Some schmuck must have reverted my original redirect. --ExplorerCDT 14:24, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Hey I removed my comments. I still don't understand your definition of major release vs notable, but it doesnt seem necessary to get involved on personal level. I think we have spoken our piece, so I'll leave it at that.--Foolano 02:19, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's obvious, really: the major Hollywood studios release dozens of "major" films every year. Throw in independent and pseudo-independent movies, art-house pictures, and foreign-language films and it's a veritable flood every single year. And what makes any of these arguably major motion pictures, given the volume, notable? "Major release" is NOT a priori notable, clearly.

So what qualifies as notable? Something that makes a movie stand out from the flood. Awards and/or nominations, critical acclaim, boffo box office (as Variety likes to say), pioneering technique, famous firsts or lasts (Alfred Hitchcock's first movie and Marilyn Monroe's last, not Lenny Henry's first and Raul Julia's last), or something particularly unusual enough to engender curiosity by a potential encyclopaedia user.

Take the work of director Michael Cimino. His first movie was some Clint Eastwood caper flick (Thunderbolt and Lightfoot) -- not very notable. His second (The Deer Hunter) won a boatload of Oscars -- obviously notable. His third (Heaven's Gate) was the biggest box-office flop of its time and essentially bankrupted United Artists Studio -- notable for either, really. His subsequent movies (two more, I believe, though I haven't tracked them) are notable only for their obscurity.

The choices are a judgement call, but some of them are easy. Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle is borderline -- it makes your list but not mine, but I'm not quibbling over that. I AM quibbling over the thought that anything connected with it -- director, screenwriter, random references and in-jokes -- comes even close to being notable. --Calton 10:40, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Calton, I'm not mad. Everyone has the rights to vote, and even though you do not like my article, I won't even mind you voting from your point of view. However, Gtabary Wikipedia:Personal attacks did this by saying:

Delete. During talk, page author User:Chan Han Xiang asked me for other opinions but mine, so I vfd'ed page. Opinion came, read above. He doesn’t like it, so he reverts. He is now in revert war mode. He hides his work behind anonymous IP. The comment from anonymous is kind of psychedelic, in the same mood of the article. I still think this page and many others are excellent candidate for delete. --Gtabary 12:57, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC) Comment. Page author User:Chan Han Xiang is now into mood of vfd notice removale/tempering. --Gtabary 15:01, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Accusations and personal attacks are not accepted. That is why I edited his comments. User:Chan Han Xiang. And you, do not personally attack me. Rewrite a reasonable comment without having the intention of attack, just by writing not notable or something reasonable, even though you may not like my work.

Public Theater[edit]

You recently merged info from "Public Theater" to The Public Theater. Unfortunately, the article - when originally written - was tagged incorrectly. When I created the article correctly tagged "Public Theater," I did so because Wikipedia could not locate an entry when I searched for "Public Theater" (apparently Wikipedia's search engine doesn't eliminate "A" and "The," otherwise it would have found the existing article, the creator of which - by the way - copied most of the material verbatim from the official website.) In any event, I find I can no longer move the article to the correct tag of "Public Theater," as Wikipedia believes such an article already exists. Do you have any idea how to rectify this mistake? Thank you. TOM 14:27, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Patricia Heaton[edit]

Please do NOT revert this entry to any version that includes enhancements that I added. Wikipedia is not authorized to use the contributions I made to this article. And don't tell me it's not my right to revoke - I am in control of my work and can use it or authorize its use as I see fit. Thank you for your cooperation. TOM 14:07, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)


Hi; I'm afraid I don't appreciate your sarcastic tone on Wikipedia:Peer Review. I quite politely pointed you to Wikipedia:Civility, a policy that I believe is of great importance in a collaborative project like Wikipedia. You say, "Oh, please, get over yourself." I don't know what you mean exactly, but I would urge you to take the policy seriously. To quote, "Civility is a rule here on Wikipedia. Where incivility here is defined as behavior that causes an atmosphere of animosity, disrespect, conflict and stress, the Civility rule states that people must act with civility toward one another." — Matt Crypto 13:08, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cool. Your unsolicited advice has been noted, logged, and discarded. Now maybe you can practice what you preach and save your univited schoolmarm act for where it might be welcomed -- which is not by myself. If you want to pick fights by hectoring people, I can't stop you -- you go right ahead, but I find that your sneering tone to be extraordinarily disrespectful and a pretty good source of animosity, to boot. If you have a problem, open an RFC and be done with it. --Calton 05:49, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
All I have done is ask you to follow a Wikipedia policy. Moreover, contacting you is one of the suggestions on Wikipedia:Civility: "Apply peer pressure (voicing displeasure each time rudeness or incivility happens)". It's regrettable if you've perceived my posts to be sneering, disrespectful or brimming with animosity — such a tone was not intended. My point is only this: Wikipedia works when people treat each other with a certain level of respect; a hostile environment drives away some editors and ties up the time of others in endless flamewars. — Matt Crypto 11:27, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've responded to your message, told that I read it, understood it, and rejected your unsolicited advice as unwelcome and even -- how do I put this? causing animosity -- and yet you persist. You've done your duty, and if you were sincerely just giving advice...well, you've done that already and if you were sincere you would have just shrugged and walked away.
Yet, expressing some misguided notion that it's your duty, somehow, to apply "peer pressure", you continue the hectoring, not merely quoting the Wikipedia guidelines, but preaching, like some sacred-word peddler or political fanatic, to make me fall into line with whatever standard of decorum that you carry in your head. Which tells me civility is not your goal, being holier-than-thou is. Perhaps you can go and find some children to practice your parenting skills on.
To repeat, slightly modified: Your unsolicited schoolmarmery has been noted, logged, and rejected. Ignored. Tossed into the circular file. Sent to the bit bucket. Consigned to the scrap heap. Recycled with extreme prejudice. "Talk to the hand, 'cause the head ain't listening." Capice?
If you have a problem, open an RFC and be done with it. If it's not worth an RFC, then put a sock in it and just go away. --Calton 13:09, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'd also like to point you to another Wikipedia policy, Wikipedia:No personal attacks. — Matt Crypto 13:18, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Congratulations, First Indochina War has been voted this week's Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week. Please edit it to help raise it to featured article status.

category:Cities and Towns in Saga Prefecture[edit]

Hi - I noticed you created this category. According to the Wikipedia:Naming conventions this category should be category:Cities and towns in Saga Prefecture. Renaming a category is not currently possible by any means other than deleting the old category and creating a new category. I'll list this category on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion to get it renamed, but thought I'd let you know about the naming convention for future reference. -- Rick Block 17:54, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

RfC against Everyking[edit]

Hi, I noticed you were at one point involved in the dispute at Autobiography (album). Well, I've filed an RfC against Everyking, and I thought you might like to certify or at least endorse it. Thanks. Johnleemk | Talk 05:38, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Just how long have you guys been having to deal with Everyking? IMO, the guy is nuts. From what I've seen, he's been at this Ashleecruft for months. I got here in early January though. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:09, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This guy is nuts! When will he stop reverting the October 24 page? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:52, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Krzysztof Zbaraski, a merchant?[edit]

Could you point to any source for that member of the mercantile class...)? There was a vast gulf between merchants and nobility in PLC. While it is possible he was nobilitated, I'd like to see some source on that? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:39, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Hello, Calton. Re: List of Young Global Leaders,

  • Do what you want with my list formatting. I find the canonical list-formatting to be too spaced out for my tastes, if the list is a long one, but I'm not tied to a particular format.
  • The YGL forum does have its own article, created before the list, initially linked to it (check "what links here" when you find apparent orphans) and now linked from it.
  • Most of the people and organizations on the list deserve articles. What's more, we already have stub content in the bio blurbs about them on the YGL site. Our articles of people are most inadequate everywhere but the US, and these international "lists of leaders" are one way to flesh them out.

Once we have separate articles about these people, this list can disappear into a category... +sj + 21:20, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Please have another look at Gangtok. I've removed all offending phrases and tourist references. Nichalp 18:35, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)


I was responding to the comments on one of the Talk pages concerning duplication of text. I am building one major article at Impotence. Hold on a moment until I am finished then take a look and if you don't like it you can add your bit to change the landscape. I don't engage in revert wars so you won't find me to be a problem. I like to write and edit and I saw a huge mess that no one had to date linked together. But if you don't like it you have my okay to do your own thing if you think that your way is better. On the other hand once you take a look at what I am doing once I have finished it (almost done), then you might want to help create one great article instead of leaving 4 to 5 stubs floating around. Let me know what you think, but in any event, its fine with me. MPLX/MH 06:30, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well that is your opinion and you are free to express it and you have. However, I believe that the 4 stub articles were either commercial propaganda, badly written in some instances or just stub entries which all belonged in one decent article about Impotence. Again, if you feel motivated to try to improve this article feel free to do so. I was adding what I believed to be a great improvement on a disjointed mess of one article and 4 stubs. However, I know that you have already engaged in reverting, but you won't find me joining in. I am working on other matters and I believe that I have made a decent contribution here. I look forward to reading your own improvements. MPLX/MH 06:48, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I see that you have been very busy reverting everything with notes about show the necessity = obviously you have not been reading the Talk pages, have you, because you are accusing me of not doing something that I have already done! See: Talk:Vardenafil MPLX/MH 06:53, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Look Carlton lay off the personal attacks! I see that others have complained to you before about this behavior. It is not Wikipedian. I was civil and friendly to you and you were the opposite to me. I note that you work in Japan. I find that interesting since I have several close Japanese connections, one of which reached into the royal family. Lay off the attitude and mean spirited stuff, life is too short and in Japan you must surely be getting the idea that a polite society is appreciated by everyone. Instead of accusing someone of ill intentions it is better to step back and see the whole picture. I wish you well, but please, no more unfriendly and mean spirited personal attacks. Thank you. MPLX/MH 07:25, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Democrazy (movie)[edit]

Hey, I wasn't kidding about the big fat "READ THIS FIRST No personal attacks" section at the top of the page. And yes I know he started it. -- Curps 10:06, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oops :-)[edit]

Thanx for pointing this out! - Ta bu shi da yu 20:07, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)



Aye, I'm watching him.[edit]

Don't worry about the message though. It's like water off a duck's back mate, like water off a duck's back. He doesn't realise it, but I'm quite happy to be insulted by a Nazi. It means that I'm on the right side of the fence. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:06, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Robert the Bruce's RFAr[edit]

Hello Carlton. The allegation was that you and Exploding Boy were accounts of the same person. It was made on Robert the Bruce's user page as part of his evidence there. There was no background or reasoning given for the allegation, so I don't know what caused this belief - but it doesn't really matter anyway because it was clear from the technical evidence that there is no connection (I had already reviewed the edit history evidence and not found any indication there of sockpuppeting). Anyway, it's not anything to worry about, the accusation seemed unlikely from the start and is dealt with now. -- sannse (talk) 12:44, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Peer review listings removed, sorry[edit]

Calton, I'm sorry if I seem to be thwarting you, but I've removed your listings of Upskirt and Downblouse from peer review. You'd be unlikely to get any help about them from peer review even if I left them, because what you ask is not the kind of thing reviewers want or expect to help with—please see the top of the page for the purpose of peer review, and also the peer review removal policy. Personally, I totally agree with you about those pictures. Have you tried being bold and removing them yourself, with an explanatory note on the talk pages? If that leads to disputes that can't be worked out on the talk pages, your next step would be RfC, under the heading "Article content disputes". Best wishes, Bishonen | Talk 19:15, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Calton, it appears that this is date stamped the 19 February. It perhaps wasn't the best place for peer review comments, I would have suggested taking to the RFC page. The peer review page is only for articles that need comments about how to get them to featured article candidates and is more for comment on the overall article. The RFC page will solicit more specific feedback, for instance the images. Personally I think the images are inappropriate, but I've not said much about it.
If either Bishonen or myself have offended you, sorry! I know that Bish gets quite passionate about admin'ing the peer review page. It's a tough and relatively thankless job (not to mention it can get quite boring!), so I hope you'll take this into account. For myself, I suggested placing the delete tag on the peer review pages you submitted because they shouldn't really be on peer review yet. One of our issues with peer review is that we need to make sure that we don't get overloaded with requests (ala the VfD page) otherwise it'll be harder to solicit feedback.
I do appreciate you asking for comment though. I'm just sorry that there was either a communication breakdown or that we offended you inadvertantly. This was not intentional! - Ta bu shi da yu 06:12, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Peer review listings[edit]

Hi, Calton. I'm sorry any of what I wrote offended you, on any page, and surprised too. I wasn't particularly "passionate" about removing the listings (Ta bu shi, if you're going to insult me, have the good grace to do it in front of me, etc. ;-)), more concerned to tell you about better venues. "Insult" is certainly a strong word, and I do regret that I gave occasion for it. Insulting you was the furthest thing from my thought. Bishonen | Talk 09:37, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Return of the Untagged Image project[edit]

You were kind enough to contribute to the Wikipedia:Untagged images project; I beg to draw your attention to part 2 of the project - there are about 12,000 more images in need of tagging. Any assistance you could provide would be most welcome. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

Pic tagging[edit]

Thanks for the note; I've gfdl'd it (and a couple of others I'd uploaded at the same time, of the Rila Monastery). - MPF 15:57, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ditto, Thanks for the reminder. :-) jk 06:16, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)