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Citation & Wikilink overkill

There's heavy citation and wikilink overkill in the August 2007 section of the article. I'm not sure how to fix it without screwing it up, so I'm just posting it here.

Washing Machine (alt) (talk) 17:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is Neelix?

Neelix is a former Wikipedian user. It was created on 2006, then retired on 2018, then created in 2020 called Wiki2008time and have blocked indefinitely in 2020 for abusing multiple accounts. Following Wiki2008time and Micericky have blocked indefinitely for abusing multiple accounts in 2020, Neelix have been blocked indefinitely for abusing multiple accounts in 2021. 125.160.38.64 (talk) 01:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the 'recession' dispute meets the definition of a controversy.

@EEng Even if many of the reports are, so to say, misguided, off-base or exaggerated, the fact that the 'Recession' edit dispute did get a lot of critical comments about it makes it meet the definition of controversy, which did get mentioned by several reliable sources as well. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 13:08, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AFAICT, what sources say is that editing got heated so the article was protected for a while. That's extremely common and not a "controversy". E Eng 14:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC) P.S. Your opening text (After U.S. President Joe Biden rejected claims that the current situation in the United States was a recession, which contradicted the generally accepted definition) seems a bit loaded.[reply]

But they also mention a fair amount of debate surrounding the incident, though, even if it is trivial in terms of Wikipedia. As for the opening sentence, I probably could've phrased that better. I don't live in America, and I have never heard anything about the recession thing until now, and I was just parroting off the Washington Post article (which was stupid). — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 14:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it's really a controversy, there should be some sustained coverage. Time will tell. E Eng 15:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng Someone else added it to the page. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 08:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce McMahan

I propose this is added to the page. The article's creation, alleged PR-scrubbing, and deletion were notable at the time, and still are. Note that WP:BLP no longer applies, as he died in 2017. Riffraff913 (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant external links:

▪https://www.villagevoice.com/2006/09/26/daddys-girl/

▪https://www.villagevoice.com/2007/06/12/daddys-dog/

▪https://www.villagevoice.com/2010/10/07/memo-to-bruce-mcmahan-daughter-seducer-updated/

Relevant internal links:

▪https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion/Archive_84

▪https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive644

It's worth noting that (from what I can tell) the original Wiki article was created around the time of the first VV article's publication, and soon gained an AfD nom (which resulted in the nomination being withdrawn), followed by another AfD nom again just one month later (resulting in "keep"). From what I can gather, the article was allegedly scrubbed by a PR firm (speculated to be with at least indirect assistance from Jimbo, at threat of legal action), and made into a puff piece, removing all mentions of his incestuous relationship with his daughter. A third AfD nom in 2009 ended up finally deleting it, because at that point it resembled nothing but self-promotion.

It really wasn't until 2010 (when Ortega's article came out) that the wider internet became aware. Riffraff913 (talk) 18:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this is a copy of the WP page shortly before it was deleted:

https://web.archive.org/web/20090320125845/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McMahan Riffraff913 (talk) 19:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Only if we have an article List of Wikipedia controversies no one's ever heard of or cares about. DeCausa (talk) 22:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hardy har har. Did you ever consider that there are things occurring in this world that you may not be aware of? Riffraff913 (talk) 03:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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			::Hardy har har. Did you ever consider that there are things occurring in this world that you may not be aware of? [[User:Riffraff913\|Riffraff913]] ([[User talk:Riffraff913\|talk]]) 03:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)