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Translation of the title

I'd like to clarify the Italian meaning of "vieni avanti", so that native English speakers can translate it appropriately.

Literally, it means "come forward", in the physical sense. This is the translation that was used in the article, but someone changed it to "come on", perhaps on the ground that "come forward" is more often used figuratively (with the meaning of "offer(ing) help"). The issue, I think, is that "come on" has become a generic exhortation which doesn't carry the physical sense of the Italian expression.

I suspect that "come in" would be better. It suggests "entering somewhere" (which the Italian expression doesn't), but it's used to invite someone to enter a room or something, similarly to the Italian.

To clarify even further, "vieni avanti, cretino" was a catchphrase used by Fratelli De Rege, in sketches like this (which is by later actors):

 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy7M5pWt8uU>;

note how, at about second 16, the actor on the stage invites the other one to "come forward" by saying "vieni avanti". The title of the film is very likely a reference to these sketches. —Gennaro Prota ^•Talk 14:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Translation of the title ==
+I'd like to clarify the Italian meaning of "vieni avanti", so that native English speakers can translate it appropriately.
+Literally, it means "come forward", in the physical sense. This is the translation that was used in the article, but someone changed it to "come on", perhaps on the ground that "come forward" is more often used figuratively (with the meaning of "offer(ing) help"). The issue, I think, is that "come on" has become a generic exhortation which doesn't carry the physical sense of the Italian expression.
+I suspect that "come in" would be better. It suggests "entering somewhere" (which the Italian expression doesn't), but it's used to invite someone to enter a room or something, similarly to the Italian.
+To clarify even further, "vieni avanti, cretino" was a catchphrase used by [[:it:Fratelli_De_Rege|Fratelli De Rege]], in sketches like this (which is by later actors):
+  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy7M5pWt8uU>;
+note how, at about second 16, the actor on the stage invites the other one to "come forward" by saying "vieni avanti". The title of the film is very likely a reference to these sketches. &mdash;[[User:Gennaro Prota|<span style="color: #000080; font-weight: bold">Gennaro Prota</span>]][[User talk:Gennaro Prota|<sup style="color: #006400">&#8226;Talk</sup>]] 14:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)