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Goddamn you're fast. 5.173.97.59 (talk) 19:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I gotta give it to y'all over here you really are fast. Unlike us Wikivoyagers I sell eggs (talk) 19:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians don't sleep RPI2026F1 (talk) 19:27, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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It has been proposed in this section that 2022 missile explosion in Poland be renamed and moved to 2022 Russian missile incursion into Poland.

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This is a bit presumptuous. See for example reports from Poland that it may have not been a strike on Poland but rather the remnants of a shot down missile shot at Ukraine. nableezy - 19:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If this bears out, then it should be moved. Frogging101 (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the current name may be technically accurate, but it implies that it was definitely purposeful. Until proven otherwise, it should be assumed to be an accident due to poor aiming, or the result of an unguided missile having been used too close to the border. GMRE (talk) 19:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it should move to 2022 Russian missile incursion into Poland. Frogging101 (talk) 19:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Or 2022 Two Russian missiles striking Poland incident. 89.8.70.65 (talk) 20:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Or, 2022 Russian missiles that struck Poland. The missile landed in Poland, but it was not necessarily a strike (aimed) at Poland.--On the other hand, a missile strike in Poland, conjures up a number of ideas. 89.8.70.65 (talk) 20:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I dont even know why this needs an article yet tbh. Which would obviate the need for a title. nableezy - 20:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but we've got one anyway. Frogging101 (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So merge it ;) nableezy - 20:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Poland is part of EU

I added mention on EU territory, but it was removed. Isn't it noteworthy?🤔 Solarius (talk) 19:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the edit summary it looks like it was an accident. Frogging101 (talk) 20:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Solarius: I had an edit conflict with your addition, but decided to keep to mentioning NATO only, since NATO is the relevant intergovernmental body in the context of a military conflict. ‒overthrows 20:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, going to re-add it then 👍 Solarius (talk) 20:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay @overthrows! I am thinking that attack on EU is also important 😊 I try to think some other way to phrase it Solarius (talk) 20:08, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Someone from the EU leadership will comment on the incident. We could simply wait for that comment. 89.8.70.65 (talk) 20:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not the first strike

Technically the first strike was the on the German embassy as embassies are treated like a territory of their country. 87.205.228.216 (talk) 20:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

According to the live updated article on BBC News site, Russia denies any involvement with the strike and calls the early reports a "deliberate provocation".

But let's wait a bit for more official info 83.8.115.64 (talk) 20:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It isnt true about the German embassy being treated like German territory, thats a convention on jurisdiction, not sovereignty. See Diplomatic_mission#Extraterritoriality nableezy - 20:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“…missiles deliberately struck Polish territory “by means of destruction.”

This is included in the reference. There was an edit made claiming it was not in the reference.

“Russia's defence ministry on Tuesday denied reports that Russian missiles had hit Polish territory, describing them as "a deliberate provocation aimed at escalating the situation".

It added in a statement: "No strikes on targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border were made by Russian means of destruction."” 2600:1000:B057:526A:6080:2111:79AF:365F (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "means of destruction" they are referring to are the missiles, by the way. "Russian means of destruction" means Russian weapons or Russian missiles. Frogging101 (talk) 20:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They denied any kind of strikes in Poland by them in reference, calling it provocation, not just "means of destruction". Your sentence implies that they may allow a change it was their missile, although they are clear it wasn't. Maybe just don't use word deliberately. --GreenZeb (talk) 20:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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	:The "means of destruction" they are referring to are the missiles, by the way. "Russian means of destruction" means Russian weapons or Russian missiles. [[User:Frogging101\|Frogging101]] ([[User talk:Frogging101\|talk]]) 20:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)		:The "means of destruction" they are referring to are the missiles, by the way. "Russian means of destruction" means Russian weapons or Russian missiles. [[User:Frogging101\|Frogging101]] ([[User talk:Frogging101\|talk]]) 20:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

	::They denied any kind of strikes in Poland by them in reference, calling it provocation, not just "means of destruction". Your sentence implies that they may allow a change it was their missile, although they are clear it wasn't. --'''[[User:GreenZeb\|<font color="003300">G</font><font color="006600">reen</font><font color="003300">Z</font><font color="006600">eb</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:GreenZeb\|talk]])</small> 20:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)		::They denied any kind of strikes in Poland by them in reference, calling it provocation, not just "means of destruction". Your sentence implies that they may allow a change it was their missile, although they are clear it wasn't. Maybe just don't use word ''deliberately''. --'''[[User:GreenZeb\|<font color="003300">G</font><font color="006600">reen</font><font color="003300">Z</font><font color="006600">eb</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:GreenZeb\|talk]])</small> 20:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)