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Master/Slave vs Device 0/1

AFAIK Device 0/1 did not really catch on as a replacement for Master/Slave until after the first SATA hard drives came out in 2003. - Yuhong (talk) 09:55, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Do we have a source that uses this terminology at all? I've never seen this outside of this article and the article itself seems to use master/slave everywhere except once, in the "Multiple devices on a cable". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.239.195.102 (talk) 19:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

"AT Attachment"

From the editor's note at the beginning of the summary:

PLEASE do not "correct" "AT Attachment" to "Advanced Technology Attachment". The relevant standards simply say "AT Attachment". It was never written out as "Advanced Technology Attachment", except in error. The "History and terminology section" makes this clear. REPEAT: "AT Attachment" IS CORRECT and absolutely should not be expanded.

However, in the history and terminology section it immediately opposes this:

The standard was originally conceived as the "AT Bus Attachment," officially called "AT Attachment" and abbreviated "ATA"^[4][5] because its primary feature was a direct connection to the 16-bit ISA bus introduced with the IBM PC/AT.^[6] The original ATA specifications published by the standards committees use the name "AT Attachment".^[7][8][9] The "AT" in the IBM PC/AT referred to "Advanced Technology" so ATA has also been referred to as "Advanced Technology Attachment".^{[10][4][11][12]}

Which means "AT" does mean Advanced Technology, just not as referenced by the standards body who standardized it. I'll add a note in, though I'm already expecting it to be reverted because of the incorrect editor's note.

Also see this past discussion, which seem to be centered around trying to officially call it "Advanced Technology Attachment", at least by the ones opposed to the edit.

Flhcl (talk) 01:34, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

AT is an acronym for Advanced Technology in IBM PC/AT. It isn't so in AT Attachment, officially, to avoid legal problems. I think this is already well laid out in the History and terminology section. --Zac67 (talk) 05:31, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Zac67 that this is a well settled and therefore per Flhcl's expectations have reverted. IF such a change is to be added there should be consensus among editors. Tom94022 (talk) 06:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 15 November 2022

Parallel ATA → IDE (interface) – "Parallel ATA" is quite an uncommon name for this subject. IDE or PATA are way more common, but I it seems that IDE is the most common one. It's also used by different articles, so I suggest to use parenthesis disambiguation. A different one would be fine with me, this one seemed the most reasonable to me. PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:27, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose – IDE is a very antiquated term. We used to call it ATA, or PATA in contrast to SATA. --Zac67 (talk) 19:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - Agree with Zac67. PATA too is pretty much obsolete and given the history I think Parallel ATA is most appropriate for this article. As the redirects explain:

• ATA redirect: ATA AT Attachment (ATA/ATAPI), the old name of Parallel ATA, an older interface for computer storage devices.
• PATA redirect: Parallel ATA, a computer interface for hard disk drive, optical disc drive, and/or solid-state drive

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Tom94022 (talk) 19:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment I forgot to mention that I checked Google Ngram, and "IDE disk" is way more popular than "PATA disk". See here: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=PATA+disk%2C+IDE+disk&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3 Saying "We uses to call it ATA" is not valuable without any source, because different people call stuff differently, but not necessarily what the majority of users do. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Google isn't really representative, and if you disable smoothing the "way more popular" becomes something like +50%. Incidentally, "ATA disk" dwarves both "IDE disk" and "PATA disk". The "we used to call it ATA" was coined towards your "quite an uncommon name" which isn't really true, with the same lack of RS. --Zac67 (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

A somewhat expanded Google Ngram supports Parallel ATA, particularly when considered in context of the history as accurately stated by Zac. Tom94022 (talk) 21:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

That seems like an unfair comparison to me, because it's not comparing "Parallel ATA" and "IDE". I understand that we can't because IDE has multiple meanings, but that means it's not good evidence either. PhotographyEdits (talk) 15:05, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

The "Google isn't really representative" does apply to Google search, but Ngram does compare books. It's a valid source. PhotographyEdits (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - IDE is a preceding technology. Though later considered part of ATA, IDE is completely incompatible. For the sake of accuracy, and to keep things encyclopaedic and accurate, the use of IDE as interchangeable with ATA should be strongly discouraged. Lostinlodos (talk) 21:37, 26 November 2022 (UTC)