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Merge into new article

I propose to merge Battle of Dovhenke and Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia into a new article titled Sloviansk offensive.

It is clear that the battles on these three settlements are just attempts from the Russians to get closer to Sloviansk and try to seize it. Battles in this area started once Izium fell on 1 April. I think such a proposed article is justified in that it is clearly defined in time (post-1 April, maybe it started that exact day), space (Kharkiv Oblast and Donetsk Oblast south of Izium and the Donets, in villages near the Highway M03; I would not include fighting in nearby Lyman and Sviatohirsk although they cleared up the way for Russia to possibly use the T0514 motorway leading up to Sloviansk, which I think that they tried doing but were repelled at Raihorodok, so they could get a mention) and aim (Sloviansk, and then Kramatorsk, they are the major Ukrainian cities left in Donbas that have not been invaded and destroyed by Russia).

I am anyways not sure that the fightings in Bohorodychne, Dovhenke and Krasnopillia in particular are more notable than in other nearby villages. I heard a lot about Dmytrivka and Dolyna in the news. And lastly, including fightings in both Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia together into one single article, also considering that they are geographically separate because of Dolyna which is not included, is bizarre to me. Super Ψ Dro 23:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that a Ukrainian government site decided to include engagements in places like Dovhenke and Bohorodychne in a paragraph separate from others starting with "In the direction of Sloviansk" in a report [1]. Super Ψ Dro 09:27, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

do you have accesible link? Dawsongfg (talk) 01:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[2]. Super Ψ Dro 09:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See this British intelligence report. It says Russian forces will try to take settlements leading to Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, which were their main targets back then (the report is from around 13 July) [3]. Super Ψ Dro 09:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More sources talking about Russian actions towards Sloviansk [4] [5]. Super Ψ Dro 09:50, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on merging the pages as Dovhenke is so close to Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia, plus it would also fix the issue of the other small villages around the way. Sloviansk offensive is also the common name used by most media sites to describe the area, the only issue is that the fighting isn't in Sloviansk right now so I'm not sure if that would break WP:TOOSOON. Jebiguess (talk) 20:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it would be a bit strange to have it named Sloviansk offensive when there's no fighting in Sloviansk, but it is pretty much certain the offensive is towards the city, so I believe that can justify it. Alternate titles would probably be less precise and longer. Super Ψ Dro 22:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyiv Offensive as well Dawsongfg (talk) 01:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agreed. Jebiguess (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree on making a page called Sloviansk offensive or something similar, there have been battles for many cities on the path to Sloviansk, and we cant make a page for each one of them. SnoopyBird (talk) 18:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Declined 3 different places Dawsongfg (talk) 01:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rebuke to “merge into new article”

I suggest the immediate decision to end the request for merging it. Not only are they two different places, but the goal was not Sloviansk.

Notably, the first attack upon Dovhenke was April 11th, the First Upon Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia was on June 7th. The difference is the Battle of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia were an attempted offensive moving southwestward, while the Battle of Dovhenke was a spoiling attack moving southeastward. They were supposed to meet at the border, not at Sloviansk.

They were also in two different Oblasts, Kharkiv and Donetsk. Both were directed to meet each other at the Oblast border, neither were aiming to at eventually reaching Sloviansk. Nor were they moving on the same direction, or in the same area. 96.242.227.52 (talk) 21:57, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::I also agree on making a page called [[Sloviansk offensive]] or something similar, there have been battles for many cities on the path to Sloviansk, and we cant make a page for each one of them. [[User:SnoopyBird|SnoopyBird]] ([[User talk:SnoopyBird|talk]]) 18:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 :'''Declined''' 3 different places [[User:Dawsongfg|Dawsongfg]] ([[User talk:Dawsongfg|talk]]) 01:17, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
+== Rebuke to “merge into new article” ==
+I suggest the immediate decision to end the request for merging it. Not only are they two different places, but the goal was not Sloviansk.
+Notably, the first attack upon Dovhenke was April 11th, the First Upon Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia was on June 7th. The difference is the Battle of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia were an attempted offensive moving southwestward, while the Battle of Dovhenke was a spoiling attack moving southeastward. They were supposed to meet at the border, not at Sloviansk.
+They were also in two different Oblasts, Kharkiv and Donetsk. Both were directed to meet each other at the Oblast border, neither were aiming to at eventually reaching Sloviansk. Nor were they moving on the same direction, or in the same area. [[Special:Contributions/96.242.227.52|96.242.227.52]] ([[User talk:96.242.227.52|talk]]) 21:57, 26 December 2022 (UTC)