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:Have a good weekend :) I do want to know, so get back to me when you get back. Thanks [[User:Anynobody|Anynobody]] 01:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== About Justanother == |
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I'm fine with my apology to Justanother. I said something funny that was offensive to him. I said I'm sorry, that's the kind of person I am. I don't care at all if he takes me serious or accepts my apology or not. |
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I've dealt with Scientologists and OSA for years now. There's a lot of people that believe he is being paid by them. His removal of anything critical of Scientology and fighting to the death on these items, makes me believe this too. Even normal Scientologists are not as radical as him. |
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It seems to me that anybody with a brain would see right away his intentions here and ban him from Wikipedia. I am not Wikipedia and new to all of this. |
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I hope someone that is more familiar with how Wikipedia works and it's politics will step up and get Justanother banned permanently. |
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If I can help in anyway, please let me know. [[User:Paulhorner|Paulhorner]] 03:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC) |
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on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! TomStar81 (Talk) 01:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Anynobody. In regards to my inquiry about Sylvia Browne's about solving "case after case", a recent exposé on Browne done on Anderson Cooper 360 mentions a few that were sent to the show from Browne's own office. Even her official 'hits' are questionable, one can completely be dismissed. I'd appreciate your input and how best to add this new information to Browne's article.
and part two
- Throw 02:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- I appreciate the links Throw, to be honest I was actually trying to figure a way to work them in myself. Cooper's report was great, but the sad thing is he isn't the first person to do a really great job exposing her as either a deluded moron or conniving fraud. Along those lines I got to thinking maybe the article needs a bit more emphasis on her felony guilty plea for securities fraud. She later claimed that she had not used her "psychic" powers to endorse a married couple and some guy into each investing $20,000 in her and her ex's gold mine.
- It occurred to me that since she has been in this "field" since around 1974; She was using her "abilities" even if she didn't say so directly to her victims in the 1992 fraud case. If I really believed she was "gifted", the fact that she is in on the deal tells me the mine will pay off! She's a psychic! However if I were skeptical of psychic phenomenon, there is no way I'd fork over $20,000 to invest in a psychic and her husband to do anything. I don't know her personally but something tells me her "gifts" and "powers" would have at least come up in general conversation while in her presence.
- Starting from that, then going through her documented mistakes one by one, and finally working in high profile media stuff. Like the Anderson Cooper report, James Randi's 1,000,000 challenge, and maybe even a bit of Larry King's recent show that she skipped after she was proven wrong again about that missing teenager. (I'm hoping Larry King is realizing that she may have made a fool of him for his support in the past). Anynobody 06:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Your barnstar
I put a well deserved barnstar on your userpage. Let me know if you'd prefer to leave your userpage blank and I'll cut and paste it here :) --Ubiq 01:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's just fine, I was afraid I'd actually have to write about myself to get my name to show up as a blue link. This saves me the trouble. Thanks Anynobody 01:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I affirm that I am also commons:User:Anynobody
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Help in finding source
I saw an earlier message from you recently regarding the controversial action taken by C.V. in regards to B.S. You mentioned that this was at the request of B.S.'s mother, which would be good information to add to the articles. Where did you find this? -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- Off the top of my head I don't remember, but I'll go over my browsers history and find it. It may take a few hours, but I'll post it here when/if I find it. Anynobody 21:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- Now I remember, sorry if I wrote her mother requested it. If you point me to where that is I'll fix it, I actually meant family. Which was an assumption on my part, since reprogrammers tend to want money I assume either her mother or perhaps ex husband (I read in her usenet posts that she used to be married to a guy named Schwarz.) I apologize for any confusion, Anynobody 06:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for your edit here [1]. I commend you for keeping cool headed. Orsini 03:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Your very welcome, it was no problem. Anynobody 04:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Wiki Wiffle Bat
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This user has contributed very valuable information and has shown much common sense. Wikidudeman (talk) 06:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC) |
- Wow. I want one of those bats. :-D --WoohookittyWoohoo! 09:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- From what I've seen you don't fit the criteria. Wikipedia:Other awards/Wiffle.Wikidudeman (talk) 10:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up
Honestly, I didn't even know that Wikidudeman had responded to me on his talk page. My apologies. Thanks for the heads up. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 09:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Not a problem, I understand how it can happen. Thanks for the prompt reply. Anynobody 10:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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- This isn't a reply to the bot, but rather anyone following up on it. I didn't upload it originally. The photo was of a portion of a 5th grade yearbook, and another editor was good enough to blank out the names and pixelate the faces of the irrelevant students. For privacy concerns and the benefit of slight reduction in file size the adjustment seems to still fulfill the original intent. Anynobody 04:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Personal attack on BabyDweezil
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Accusing BabyDweezil of editing in bad faith; see this diff. --Justanother 16:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, that does not sound like a personal attack at all, but rather User:BabyDweezil's prior comments about editors in general certainly do. This use of "they" to avoid looking like he was personally attacking any particular editor specifically is reprehensible. And then this comment by User:Justanother most certainly looks like a personal attack on you, after your attempt at being polite. Yowsers! What a wicked use of foul language. Sounds like a troll... Smee 20:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
- Ha ha ha Smee. I see that you do not want to miss any opportunity to interject yourself in the affairs of others. Accusing another editor of editing in bad faith is a PA. End of story. And OH MY GAWD, justanother used a bad word. You just wait til I tell Mom! --Justanother 22:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Justanother has BabyDweezil said anything to you about being offended? He/she didn't seem to take offense, and if you look at the comment I was responding to you'll see that it appeared as though BabyDweezil was trying to bait someone. Since it appeared as though BabyDweezil was mocking my analogy, I thought that perhaps he/she was baiting me. I'd be happy to explain to BabyDweezil that no offense was intended in observing the futility of trying to bait me. I must say BabyDweezil doesn't seem shy about defending his/herself so I'm a bit surprised that BabyDweezil wouldn't tell me directly.
It makes me wonder if this is more about the question I posed on your talk page or the observation I made on Farenheit451's talk page? If so I honestly don't mean to offend you and am actually trying to offer constructive feedback regarding my perception of you. You appear to be trying to stop the spread the negative impression people get about Scientologists in leading by example. I seriously think that your behavior can arguably be tied to the observations about OSA tactics. I don't know if you are doing it on purpose, but in case it's accidental I thought it would be something you'd want to know about. Outsiders see that as one of the problems with the CoS and are more likely to believe other negative "PR" about the CoS if you reinforce some of their perceptions.
To sum up; if BabyDweezil has been offended he/she is more than welcome to ask for a clarification that I meant no offense. If your feelings are hurt, lets discuss that because as I said I'm trying to point out that you are perhaps, perpetuating a stereotype about Scientologists that you may not be intending to. Anynobody 22:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- Now here is an interesting double standard, Anynobody. You object to my, as a third party, warning you about a clear attack against BabyDweezil on an article talk page. Yet you support Smee's 3rd party warning to me when my so-called "attack" was much less clear and was, in fact, a response to an offensive PA by you against me on my own friggin talk page. Double standard, my friend. Hypocrisy. --Justanother 02:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I was not objecting to you approaching me on behalf of BabyDweezil, seriously I was saying if BabyDweezil really was offended I'd be happy to explain that I didn't mean any offense to BabyDweezil directly. Maybe he/she thought I'd be unapproachable about matters like this, I was hoping you would say it's safe to ask me directly for an explanation if that were the case. When I also say that it would surprise me if BabyDweezil were offended and afraid to express it to me, it means just that. Because it surprises me, doesn't mean it isn't true.
- To be clear, did I offend BabyDweezil and you are approaching me on his/her behalf? You must understand I'm willing explain my motives and rational, but if BabyDweezil feels that I have made them the victim of a PA I need to know. To explain why my commenting on your talk page warning os not hypocrisy I'll do that under said warning, because here I'd like to stick with BabyDweezil and myself under this section. Anynobody 02:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you.
- For the recognition. It is appreciated to know that my efforts are appreciated around here... Smee 00:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
- Not a problem, I hope the You RAOK made sense. I meant it to be taken as a weird pronunciation of "rock", now I notice it could also be read as You R A OK. Anynobody 00:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ha ha, I see that now. Thanks. Smee 00:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
Posting on my page
Hey, anynobody. All due respect but you are being just a bit too "touchy-feely" throughout your postings on my page, IMHO. Let me make myself plain. If you bring my religion into the conversation when disagreeing with any aspect of my behavior, I am likely to get offended. So if your intention is to offend me then go right ahead. And the only other editors that I have likely "offended" are those that edit offensively; continually reverting valid edits to forward their uninformed POV while continually inserting and reinserting highly POV, non-RS crap in the articles despite my removals that are then upheld by third party neutral opinion. That is not you. You seem to be a special case that is going out of his way to offend me personally by making a big deal out of some WP that we don't see exactly eye-to-eye on and somehow relating that to my fucking religion. You are being offensive. You need to take my religion out of your conversations with me. Until you can manage that you are not welcome to post here there. Is that clear? --Justanother 12:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I can appreciate how it may look like I'm trying to degrade or demean your religion. I honestly am not, nor am I intentionally trying to offend you. The fact is that I believe you are in a conflict of interest regarding this article (Barbara Schwarz), that is similar to the situation that Steve Dufor has there. He wants to delete the article because Ms. Schwarz is his friend, you appear to want it gone because of it's possible negative implications to your religion (Scientology).
Sincerely, I am not trying to offend you. Since you have become offended, and I really feel that you are trying to edit against the guideline of WP:COI and the policy of WP:CONSENSUS, I'd like to set this up as a RfC. I honestly did not want to offend you while trying to explain my concerns to you, about a variety of things. You haven't actually addressed directly many of the concerns I've tried to discuss with you. I believe this can benefit both of us by giving an outside opinion, and I regret that I haven't mentioned the idea of going to a third party sooner. How would you feel about this? Anynobody 21:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, regarding whether I have a COI editing a Scn article, that is ridiculous and smacks of bigotry. Would you deny any other religion, ethnic group, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., the right to edit in their articles? Of course you would not. So how do you justify to yourself even letting that concept out of the confines of your own skull? That is what I mean. I know that you have both "voices" in there, I just think that you manage to quell the more equitable one. And I have no doubt that you consider yourself the soul of equanimity and justice. So do us both the favor of taking my religion out of the equation and if you want to discuss the merits of my interpretation of that minor issue on the Schwarz article vs. your interpetation and you want to do that in any forum you chose, then please do. Just leave my religion out of it. You won't come out looking good. I can speak without obscenities when I want to and I usually do. --Justanother 22:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you feel that I would treat you differently than I would anyone else who lets feelings about their religion interfere with editing an article related to that religion. To be fair, you should know that I am going to set up a RfC once I get together the diffs to do so. Please gather diffs you feel show any attempts on my part to offend you, I don't want to surprise or ambush you with it. Anynobody 22:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I will respond as appropriate. Thanks --Justanother 22:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you feel that I would treat you differently than I would anyone else who lets feelings about their religion interfere with editing an article related to that religion. To be fair, you should know that I am going to set up a RfC once I get together the diffs to do so. Please gather diffs you feel show any attempts on my part to offend you, I don't want to surprise or ambush you with it. Anynobody 22:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Anynobody and Justanother I already posted this on your page, but thought to include it here in the interest of making access easier. Anynobody 01:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
RE
Yeah, I have a nasty habit of taking stuff out on random people during times of frustration, which is actually why I didn't make admin. I'm glad to see that I haven't offended you, and just know that I wasn't actually referring to you specifically. It was more of a general statement to anyone who would read it. Peace, 声援 -- The Hybrid 21:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Justanother
Hey! I'm glad you wrote me. This guy is exactly the kind of person I do not like. I don't know where to begin describing everything that is wrong with him. I can see it in the replies to you as well. L.Ron's military career, if it is fabricated, is obviously worth discussing. I don't know why it would be fabricated, it wouldn't change my opinion of him or anythiing, so many times things aren't what they seem, but it's still worth looking into. It isn't 'he said, she said', it can be figured out what the truth is. And he says anything else is PR. This is what bugs me about justanother, he says things like they are fact. NO, it isn't just PR. It could be that he lied, it could be that there was a mistake, etc. That isn't PR.
Ok, now I'm reading the posts on yourpage. This is so hard to understand. You're not supposed to talk about Scientology with him, he says? "Is that clear"? See,he speaks to people with an air of superiority, like he is the voice of reason, of authority."And I have no doubt that you consider yourself the soul of equanimity and justice." COMPLETE PROJECTION.
Whoa, I'm on the Barbara Schwarz page, he did this with me to. I don't understand those people who feel the need to inform you of obvious thigns you would never do like you need them to inform you otherwise you would do it. He did that to me at first when we were friendly regarding editing Scientology pages (telling me not to do this or that, which I would never have done).
I think the good thing is that this is just the internet. If it were real life, we would be able to tell in a second what was up with this guy and we wouldn't apply him the same weight that we apply other people. I sometimes forget that when I use the net because you're not getting the feel of the person saying the weird thing. It used to bug me some of the things that critics of Scientology used to say, and then I saw photos and video of them, and it made sense. You could tell they weren't really there, so I wasn't upset anymore. I'd love to see what this guy looks like. I'd probably end up feeling sorry for him and have compassion and overlook all the incredibly rude traits he has.
I don't know how to explain how things got bad between us. It's just his personality, who he is, and I disagree iwth it, find it incredibly rude and invalidating to other people, and just let him know.
You're on the Scientology's 'enemies' list? What happened? You defintely didn't imply anythiing negative about Scientology, it's all good. People I know make jokes about Scientology and it's totally fine. I know what I don't like and don't agree it and I'm not sensing any of that from you. Another thing about Anynobdoy, is he DOES seem like everything is pro-Scientology, no matter what, and I've noticed that with some Scientologists, but that's not me, and that's wrong. I dislike a lot of Scientologists I've met because I can tell the kind of people they are and the kinds of things that they would do or think, and I'm just not okay with that. Scientology isn't some group that you join and become this ideal Scientologist and just turn into that. It's like when I go to the gym. I don't adapt the feeling and personality of the gym and the people in the gym. I go there to work my body, to use it as a tool. I do the same thing with Scientology. I really hate when people do that because what starts happening is they start feeling like they're better than others because they "act" more like an ideal Scientologist than people who aren't doing that, and all sorts of other things, which I think our friend here might've done. :)
That was long and rambling, but I've been up all night with little sleep ! Write me back. Johnpedia 14:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Your response makes me feel so much better, and please don't feel bad about "rambling". I do a lot of it myself, for reasons you pointed out. The people I'm talking to here can't hear the tone of my voice, see my facial expressions, etc. so I've found myself expanding (or rambling) what I would say in real life. Actually I've often pondered the fact that if people met me in real life they'd think I was shy because I don't say nearly as much when trying to convey an idea. For example if I were chatting with you face to face, instead of saying what I just said, it probably be something like "I know exactly what you mean".
- I can't tell you how relieved I am that Justanother is the exception when it comes to Scientologists, and not a typical one. It's been my experience that religions/cults are usually not as "bad" as they are represented to be by their critics. (I say usually, becomes sometimes the critics are right like with Jim Jones.)
- Justanother was seriously making me think the critics could be 100% right, obviously now that I've talked to you I that I was right the first time. I think you must be right, seeing how you've been treated, makes me think it's more about ego than it is about religion. When I thought it was about the religion it made me really uncomfortable because I try not to criticize any religion, because I can't say one is any more "correct" than another. (I suspect the U.S. Navy probably "feels" the same since they don't have religious requirements, on the subject of Lt. Hubbard's WW2 experience.)
- I also have to agree it's amazing he'll warn others not to do something, then usually turn around and do it himself. The amazing part is that the person he warns is actually NOT doing anything like it.
- The truly epic part about his behavior though is that by "defending" Scientology like he is, it's actually hurting Scientology by perpetuating a negative stereotype. Because his ego is so large, even his friends and family probably wouldn't be able to convince him he is doing anything wrong.
- I really appreciate your prompt reply too. Anynobody 23:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm like that too, it's easier to write out and focus on what I'm saying when I'm relaxed at home on my computer than if I were trying to talk about it with a stranger. I'm happy you seem like a humane,normal person. Talking to JustAnother, it's not even like talking to a person, which is creepy. I'm sorry he's the first Scientologist you met, I hope you don't let that reflect Scientology. The loudest, weirdest people are always the ones who get the most attention while the real ones, the ones that matter, are the ones who are content and more private, I find at least. Johnpedia 12:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
RFC input
- There are some issues regarding the RFC which you may want to weigh in on, at User talk:Bishonen, subsection RFC minor formatting. Smee 02:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
Thanks for the heads up :) Anynobody 02:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- No problem. I think if you follow User:Bishonen's advice/guidelines, the RFC would be appropriate. Smee 02:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
I think so too, the RfC looks much better than my initial version. I really appreciate your waiting for my go-ahead, that's very thoughtful. It's exactly what i would have done if our roles were reversed. :) Anynobody 02:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- No worries mate. Smee 02:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
- FYI, you might also want to take note: [2], and [3] ... Smee 02:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
Confusion
Are you saying that I need to apologize? If so, for what? Also, instead of attempting to psychoanalyze me, you may want to continue to engage in the debate. (I've clarified my objection to the whole Colbert\O'Reilly thing). Considering that I have been an editor for almost three years, and have 5 times as many edits as you have, I find your position on me odd to say the least. I think that as I have more experience here than you do, that I have a decent idea of how Jimbo Wales wishes this project to proceed. Granted sometimes I misread things and get them wrong (and I admit that maybe I am reading BLP too narrowly with this particular edit). That makes me human. However, regardless of whether you agree with what I write, you should still show me the respect of asking me to clarify my positions, challenging my assertions, before making ad hominem analysis. This applies whether I am six or sixty or whether you think I am too sensitive or too borish. We've had indirect discussions over at Ann Coulter, and I respected your ability to state your position without resorting to the kind of name-calling that Info can't seem to avoid. Don't allow editors like that to drag you into the Wiki-abyss. ;). Good luck. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 17:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think you may have misunderstood what's happening, I'm not saying you need to apologize for anything. (Asking for an apology seems fruitless to me, if somebody is sorry for what they said they'll generally apologize on their own.) Most of what Info999 and I discussed was in reference to 声援 -- The Hybrid. I'll explain about the apology at the end,
- My perception of the situation is somewhat complicated, it's important to understand when I use the term inexperienced I don't mean on Wikipedia. Every now and then some of your comments strike me as something OTHERS could consider offensive, but I don't think it is intentional. When Info999 pointed out his/her perceived youthful inexperience on both you and 声援 -- The Hybrid I agreed that may be correct. I get the feeling that you are doing your very best to be civil, so the idea of still being "offensive" must sound a bit overly critical. I used to have a similar problem when I was younger (high school - college age) and it's a difficult to explain without making people sound "overly sensitive" (I had a different one word term for it that can also refer to a cat). I came to realize that my threshold for tolerating insult was relatively higher because I inherently understood that when I criticized an idea I was not trying to say anything about the person, and I figured it was the same when somebody shot down an idea of mine. A few people were nice enough to explain to me that most people think you are saying negative things about them if you don't phrase criticism carefully.
- I could be wrong of course, but that is my opinion. The important part is that I am sure you are editing in good faith, and am not in any way trying to slight you. When Info999 pointed out that what 声援 -- The Hybrid said could have been taken as offensive, I was genuinely impressed he/she apologized. How many people actually apologize to a person they disagree with for making a mistake on here? I have not seen very many, but I was not implying you needed to apologize too when I pointed out 声援 -- The Hybrid's. Anynobody 22:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Now I'm confused! I have no idea what this "The Hybrid" is, and I don't think I was involved. Perhaps you have me confused with a different editor? Smee 22:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
- D'oh!!! I meant Info999, sorry Smee. Anynobody 23:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I definitely did not understand what was going on, and hence the title of my post. But you raise an interesting point. Although the inexperienced label is comedically wrong (check out my user page and infoboxes... I'm sure you'll see the humor), I would like to know how some of my edits can be offensive to others. So please, if in the future, you see an edit of mine that crosses the line or can be interpreted as such, feel free to let me know. I will extend the same courtesy to you. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 01:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I haven't seen any posts worth mentioning because doing so would make more of an issue out of this than there needs to be. If I had to rate your behavior on a template scale like Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace it'd be a level 0.5 at most based on my general impression of you from the pages we've edited. I promise you if your behavior caused me any real concern I'd have said something to you directly. The point is that while I think you could offend a sensitive editor, it's not a problem worth mentioning unless/until you are actually offending someone. Please understand that if I were to ever come to you with such a concern I'd give you proof. Anynobody 01:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
First, I'm a he ;), and secondly I thought that we were in agreement that the quote was appropriate to the article. I disagreed with Info999's interpretation of Ramsquire's actions, but as far as the content went I agreed with you and Info999 after realizing that I was incorrect about the Colbert quote. In truth, the only reason I said anything to Info999 about it, is because he/she is inexperienced as a Wikipedian, and therefore hasn’t learned how Wikipedia policy addresses that kind of thing in too much detail. The reason that I commented on him/her telling me that I was wrong after I had figured it out is because he/she has yet to meet a true Wikipedia egomaniac. Comments like that, when made to someone who doesn't have a personality that can take it, usually end up with someone holding a grudge, which causes people to become uncomfortable being around them when they are together, and just disturbs the atmosphere of that area of Wikipedia overall. I was just trying to give some helpful advice, which Info999 doesn't seem to have taken well. -- The Hybrid 02:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to give the impression that I don't care about this, but at the moment I've got some other stuff going on so I can't give it the attention I want. Just to be clear, none of my comments have had anything to do with the BOR article directly. I've been addressing perceived feelings of offense and general user conduct. I guess my basic point is we all have the same intention, not trying to offend each other. Anynobody 03:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, and this is what happens far too often. A couple people inadvertently offend a couple others, and then the air is polluted and things don't get solved because everyone is biting their tongues and trying to work out the personal problems the situation created. Now all we need is one of the egomaniacs that I was talking about to get involved because he(usually) had his pride injured, and we would have the typical situation. Anyway, take your time Anynobody. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 03:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more about the feelings of people getting in the way of resolving issues. It gets frustrating when offense is taken over statements that were not meant to be offensive, because the explanation can make things worse and distract even more from the original reason the statement was made. Please understand, I'm not implying anything negative about people bringing up concerns of being offended because it is a valid concern. I just wish I could figure out a way to resolve concerns better because I managed to inadvertently offended Ramsquire by wording my comments poorly. (Honestly Ramsquire I meant nothing negative, but I could have worded the statement better so I understand your concerns.) Anynobody 01:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Shall we just drop the entire issue, and not hold any of this against anyone else in the future? I believe that all of us are more than capable of simply putting this behind us, so are we in agreement that this would be the best course of action? -- The Hybrid 02:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Same here. Anynobody 03:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Ramsquire I do want to make sure there are no hard feelings on your part. Please understand that my comments to Info999 do not reflect a deep concern or disagreement with your editing style. From the brief encounters I've had with you, it seemed like maybe Info999 had a point. Since I don't know enough about either you or The Hybrid to be sure I pointed out a good trait I've observed about The Hybrid. Being able to offer an apology is a good thing, we all make mistakes. People who are unwilling to admit mistakes are just making yet another mistake. (I apologize when I screw up, I can provide at least one diff where I have on an unrelated subject). I'm sorry I didn't include a positive observation about you, in retrospect it would have saved us a lot of confusion I think. Anynobody 04:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Please stay out
I'm going to bed. Please review the rules and leave my response section for me and others that agree with me.
This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary (meaning your summary, Anynobody, not mine) is biased or incomplete. Users signing other sections ("Statement of the dispute" and "Outside Views") should not edit the "Response" section. (That means you and Smee stay out of there.)
Thanks --Justanother 06:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm really sorry about actually posting this on the RfC page Justanother, I had meant to reply line by line and then copy it into the discussion page without saving. I was distracted with a phone call and forgot what I was doing when I hit "Save Page". Seriously I do apologize. Anynobody 06:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
my pleasure
To the above- Brrr. To you, thanks for your thanks, it's nice to meet someone as well brought up as I lol:)Merkinsmum 03:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I am especially glad to see that I wasn't the only one to notice he may be causing more harm than good to the CoS with his methods, the irony is almost poetic. He seriously doesn't realize that his type of behavior is part of the reason general opinion about Scientology can be negative. He is the first Scientologist I've ever encountered, so I thought the general negative perception might actually be true for a little while. I've since met another Scientologist and discovered they don't all perpetuate the stereotype. Anynobody 07:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Aww, do you mean me? It's people like Justanother that made me hesitant of Scientology at first, so it's a little bit of a soft spot for me. It's my religion and I hate people like him spoiling the image of it. Johnpedia 12:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- That is so nice to hear! He had indeed made me think ill of Scientologists as well, but after encountering you I am starting to change my mind... Thanks! Smee 16:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
- I am indeed talking about you Johnpedia. I really was ready to give up on Scientologists, between Justanother and Tom Cruise's Today interview it seemed like the critics were right. Fortunately I met you, and Tom Cruise apologized to Brooke Shields so I'm happy I didn't (give up on Scientologists). Anynobody 22:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject updates
- I have done some updating to the WP:SCN, added some new articles, added a "to do" list to the top of the project, and fixed up some categories and assessment stuff. I suggest we should all pick one article at a time, or at most two, to work on bringing up to Featured Article status. You could give input on the project's talk page... Smee 20:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
- Also, a Userbox for project members, {{User Scientology project}} Smee 20:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
I want to thank you for your kind invitation to join the WP:SCN project, I'm flattered and will give it some serious thought:) The only other topic I planned on editing which relates to Scientology at all is the Naval career of Lt. L Ron Hubbard. It looks like both sides are wrong about various aspects of it, proving it on here without using OR is going to be a challenge. I'm not really comfortable talking about specific spiritual aspects of any "religion" for several reasons so I'm not sure how much help I would be. I'm happy to share those reasons with you if you would like, but for the sake of brevity I'll give you the simplest reason: I'm agnostic and believe there is a very real chance that all religions are wrong. Since I don't know for sure, I try not to spend too much time talking about any one religion in order to stay neutral. I firmly believe Barbara Schwarz belongs on Wikipedia, she is literally a living monument to the good faith of US FOIA laws. She is also proof that "forced deprogramming" doesn't work very well.
I do have a question though, why aren't there articles (or an article) about Jeremy and Elli Perkins? The fourth anniversary of Elli's murder at her son's hands is coming up on 3/13. Though I try to stay neutral, this murder concerned me because Jeremy had serious issues that were not being helped by Scientology. He could have just as easily killed a person not involved with Scientology. It occurred to me that the CoS could be putting innocent people in danger by improperly treating mentally ill people, thus prompting the question "how far should freedom of religion go?". I'm not saying that question only applies to Scientology. I've often thought the same thing about beliefs like Christian Scientists who don't get basic medical attention for members with illnesses for example. Anynobody 21:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Good idea, I'll scout around for some sourced citations and read up on that. Might take some time... Smee 21:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this: It wasn't listed on, or if it was I missed it, but I've already begun my "quest for truth" about Lt. Hubbard on Talk:USS PC-815. Anynobody 22:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Taking a break
I will be taking the weekend off from wikipedia though I may keep an eye on the RfC. If you want to talk about what I mentioned then it will have to wait until I am fully returned and I remove the wikibreak template. Enjoy your weekend. --Justanother 23:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Have a good weekend :) I do want to know, so get back to me when you get back. Thanks Anynobody 01:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
About Justanother
I'm fine with my apology to Justanother. I said something funny that was offensive to him. I said I'm sorry, that's the kind of person I am. I don't care at all if he takes me serious or accepts my apology or not.
I've dealt with Scientologists and OSA for years now. There's a lot of people that believe he is being paid by them. His removal of anything critical of Scientology and fighting to the death on these items, makes me believe this too. Even normal Scientologists are not as radical as him.
It seems to me that anybody with a brain would see right away his intentions here and ban him from Wikipedia. I am not Wikipedia and new to all of this.
I hope someone that is more familiar with how Wikipedia works and it's politics will step up and get Justanother banned permanently.
If I can help in anyway, please let me know. Paulhorner 03:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)