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List of first women's ice hockey internationals per country: 1987-1999

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List of first women's ice hockey internationals per country: 1987-1999 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This was draftified months ago because "Incomplete, unsourced, of dubious notability as a list topic", but now moved back to mainspace without improvements. Fram (talk) 10:52, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, Ice hockey, and Lists. Fram (talk) 10:52, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I myself have found contradictions in my research which is why I am hesitant to go further but I don’t understand what you find practical about deletion. Dweisz94 (talk) 10:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

The article currently fails to demonstrate WP:V and so would require deletion unless the information can be verified. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:02, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

This gets fixed either by me inputting reliable sources or someone else doing it, what is the benefit of simply deleting the article, an article should be deleted only if the idea of the article is bad. Dweisz94 (talk) 16:20, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Have you found any reliable sources for any of the content? WP:V is a policy and, yes, absolutely we should delete articles unless they can be verified by at least one reliable source. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I haven't found reliable sources online but I'm sure they exist for now as witnesses of every nations first womens ice hockey international are still alive, there are experts available to expand the page Dweisz94 (talk) 19:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Even if a former ice hockey player came along and edited the article and confirmed that the information is correct like you say, it would still be a violation of WP:NOR as Wikipedia does not publish original research. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

If you haven't found reliable sources online, your "surety" is simply wishful thinking. WP:V requires that those sources be produced, or the article deleted. It is not the job of "experts" or anyone else to do the work for you. Ravenswing 22:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:01, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, don't draftify again. A list consisting of only the first international matches of each country's women's ice hockey teams seems like trivia. No sources have been provided to verify the information nor to demonstrate that this is a notable topic for an encyclopedia. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:39, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  This same rationale applies to List of first ice hockey internationals per country: 1909–1999 and since 2000. Those two articles are both exclusively sourced to one fan site, which itself lists no references. Ignoring the single-source issue, those two lists are referenced (and the references could be used to bolster this list and the draft of the women's post-2000 list), but the question remains: why? What about a list of the first games played by any country's men's or women's hockey teams makes it a notable topic for an encyclopedia, and where are the sources to explain that and provide context? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

• Delete - unless at least one reliable source can be provided to verify the content of the article, it must be deleted per WP:V. If anyone at any point does find a reliable source for this content, please ping me. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

• Keep- Offering men and women seperately offers more information, references aren't listed but are indirectly existing from other Wikipedia pages whom those themselves do list references, the information is verified, simply further effort is required. Dweisz94 (talk) 20:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: There being no references isn't just some issue that needs to be fixed; it disqualifies the article in their absence. Quite aside from my agreement with Ivanvector that this would be trivial even if sourced, Dweisz94 has had months to properly source this article, and it should never have been created in the first place if they had neither the time or the inclination to do so. That Dweisz94 doesn't seem to comprehend that an article meeting WP:V is a fundamental requirement is troubling. Ravenswing 22:11, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  Your incomplete inference trivia referred to trivial, I believe I will move this to drafts until I find references. Dweisz94 (talk) 22:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

• Delete as WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:TRIVIA. Don't bother wasting more time with this in draftspace - even if this had sources, it is not a notable topic to begin with. Highway 89 (talk) 23:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)