Talk:List of Neon Genesis Evangelion characters

inaccuracies

Inaccuracies that should be researched and corrected: -Pen Pen's voice is done by Megumi Hayashibara, unsure whether or not it was re-recorded for the English version -Asuka's mother's name is Kyoko Zeppelin SOHRYU. She does have lines (I don't have the series handy right now; someplace between eps. 18 and 23 is Asuka's backstory)

Child vs. Children

While I realize that "Children" is occasionally used where the singular should be in the anime (as when Kaworu is speaking), I also note that the only correct English means of speaking the titles is ''Child'' as in ''First Child''. Considering the recent edit from Child to Children, I'd like to see a strong justification for it. At the moment, I'm quite tempted to just go back to 'Child' as it has been for some time now. --Obsidian-fox 01:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

In the original japanese, it is Children....what translators do should not be considered canon IMO. --NorkNork 19:13, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The use of "Children" in the Japanese canon could just as easily be a translation error on the author's part. Do you have evidence that it wasn't accidental Engrish? Intention requires that it be purposeful, and to be purposeful it must have a purpose; unless Gainax has noted that one exists, there isn't much reason to accept it as anything but an error. Anyhow, the translators that brought the show to English were kind enough to ask about Tenshi (using Angel instead of Messenger); it's perfectly reasonable that they translate Engrish into English, too. --Obsidian-fox 23:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

As it says below, no, we have no evidence either way. So we're just saying "It is so" and not saying why (intentional or not). -HKMarks 23:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... according to the text we already have, Gainax did it intentionally... but we also have a statement: The latter of the two variants will be used in Evangelion and Evangelion-related articles in the English Wikipedia. We should change it back from Children to Child. --Obsidian-fox 00:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Children is used instead of Child by Gainax intentionaly because Rei (the First Children) is, in fact, a lot of clones, that is why they use the plural. Children is used in the other children too, otherwise they would know about Rei being diferent from them. That is Gainax purpous for using the world Children. --Punkekito 12:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

"Children is used instead of Child by Gainax intentionaly" : Source ?

In japanese, there is no strict "plural" form, like in english bike/bikes, child/children, etc. So in numerous anime series you'll see english words used in the singular even if they characterize several people (for example, in Saint Seiya, the characters are named "Saint" (Seinto), while they should be "Saints" (Seintuzu)).

So really, unless "children" has a deep phylosophical meaning (which I seriously doubt), it's only "engrish". Folken de Fanel 19:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Source: Translator's commentary on English-language DVD release of Death and Rebirth and End of Evangelion. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just done for the sound of it, however. -HKMarks 19:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

It's common knowledge that Amanda Lee's commentary on the Eva movies is absolute BS. [1]. It's known as the "Commentary of Evil" among the Eva fandom.

Unless you have another source (a true source, which took part to the making of the show), this "children" will definitely be identified as engrish... Folken de Fanel 01:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough re: commentary... but do you have any source that says it was definitely a mistake? If not, just say it was "originally 'children' but changed to 'child'" without any commentary on why it was 'children.' (It seems like a pretty silly thing to do on purpose, but way too glaring to be an unintentional mistake.) 'Engrish' is a loaded term. -HKMarks 01:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Moreover, according to the Neon Genesis Evangelion glossary article, the commentary didn't mention that "Gainax intentionaly used Children instead of Child", but that the translators intentionaly changed Children to Child.

Do we really need a source before saying anything is a mistake ? Yes, maybe labelling Shinji as the "1st Children" in Rebirth was intentional, after all, how can we know ?...Folken de Fanel 01:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems like a rather glaring mistake for no one on the entire staff to catch it. Perhaps they thought that using the plural would make the kids more "special"? Japanese doesn't use plurals the same way English does but anyone with a year or two of English education would catch that--though they wouldn't be able to tell necessarily how weird it sounds to an English-speaker's ear. (Also, sorry, it's been a while since I've seen the commentary...) -HKMarks 01:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

As I said, you can find the same mistake in numerous series...Like in Saint Seiya, the Saints are "Saint" (seinto) instead of "Saints" (seintuzu). And even if that wouldn't happen with someone with a year or two of english education,even if it seems also like a rather glaring mistake for no one on the entire staff to catch it, it's still a mistake. The japanese really aren't gifted for foreign languages, that's a fact...Folken de Fanel 02:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

That's no more of a mistake than using "ninjas" instead of "ninja" to refer to more than one ninja. In Japanese words are usually left singular unless it's absolutely necessary to say that there are many, and then there are ways to do it within Japanese grammar (such as "watashi" [I] --> "watashitachi" [we], or specifying a number). In any case, it's a moot argument. If there's no source there's no source. -HKMarks 02:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, do have sources that say "ninjas" wasn't intentional ? Seriously we don't need sources for everything, "children" is just a mistake. It's when you say that it's intentional that you should need sources, because in that case you give more meaning to the word than it had previously. We don't need sources to take the word as it is.

Also it won't change the face of Evangelion if it has no meaning, so no need to worry about that. That was just a mistake, like Shinji as the 1st...Folken de Fanel 08:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The reason we need sources is because we're arguing about it. Some people think it's intentional, some people think it's a mistake, so unless there's a definitive source that can back it up, putting either theory in is POV and unverifiable. I don't personally care which it is, it's just against policy. -HKMarks 14:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Message from 68.125.130.110

It should be noted that much of the "information" that has been on this page at one point or another comes from the Red Cross Book, and is wholly unsupported (or worse, contradicted) by the series. The most famous example is the RCB's claim that First Impact is what killed the dinosaurs, when the anime states that FI is what created the Moon. Any information from sources outside the anime and manga themselves should be considered about as canon as Gene Roddenbery's explanation of "Northern" and "Southern" Klingons.

I've repeatedly attempted to correct or clarify many parts of this page based on my years of debating various theories on numerous message boards. I'm not sure why these corrections are being undone in favor of info that is unsupported and/or contradicted by the canon.

Please read your duplicate section at Talk:Neon_Genesis_Evangelion#Message_from_68.125.130.110. -Anon

Pictures

Can we get some character pics here, please? I suppose if I watch the series again, I could pick some up, but that won't happen for another few months.

Rei's birthday

The CD "The Birthday of Rei Ayanami" was released on March 30, 2001, which corresonds to her actual birthday. As you may know, most of the Evangelion character's birthdays had the same dates as their Seiyuu's, and Megumi Hayashibara (Seiyuu of Ayanami)'s birthday was also on March 30.

So, do we have a consensus to put Rei Ayanami's birthday as March 30, 2001?

No. Rei's birthday has never been stated in any official document (and she wasn't born until 2004). Folken de Fanel 19:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Gendo (and others)

Here's the text i moved from Gendo Ikari when i changed it to a redirect, in case anyone thinks it's better than what's here or wants to merge or edit or something (personally, i feel it reads like ad copy, but whatever): Pyrop 00:08, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

Gendo Ikari, a character from the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion, is head commander of NERV, and thus main responsible for the research done on Evangelions and the Human Complementation Project. He is the father of the Third Child, Shinji Ikari. At the start of the series he is the only person having an affective connection to Rei Ayanami.

Although Gendo pretends to follow SEELE's Orders without questioning, he has his own agenda and tries to outmanipulate the committee. His final outspoken rebellion towards SEELE is due to his desire to initiate Third Impact having its complete control. He implants Adam's embryo in his hand (only shown on Evangelion Death and Rebirth, and the Director's Cut Edition) and tries to merge with Rei to achieve this purpose.

Gendo is a brilliant scientist and politician (the master of puppets in the series), but an extremely cold and distant father towards his son. His last lines on End of Evangelion indicate his regret and the true motivations for his ruthless behavior.

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And here's the text from Rei Ayanami and Shinji Ikari, which i've also changed to redirects. Rei Ayanami was created by the same anonymous user and has about the same quality of writing. Shinji is good and should be edited in (i'll do it if i get a chance). I'm going to go through and make redirects for all the other characters, too: if i dig up any more rogue articles i'll put them here.

Rei Ayanami:

Rei Ayanami is a character from the anime series, Neon Genesis Evangelion and easily one of the most recognizable characters in anime. She is a 14 year old socially-withdrawn (introverted) girl. She turns out to be a clone, and is widely theorised to be a clone of Yui Ikari or a hybrid of Yui Ikari and the angel Lilith. Another popular theory is that she is a clone of Yui Ikari, but containing the soul of Lilith. It is also quite possible that she is genetically Lilith in origin, but physically manipulated to look like Yui, since Reis seem to drop out of Lilith's leg stumps.

These theories have been created due to fact that she is seen to have generated an AT field promptly before Kaoru Nagisa was killed. Also because she is seen merging and becoming Lilith in the End of Evangelion movie.

Three clones of Rei play a significant part in the series, and are referred to as Rei I, II and III. Rei I dies at the hands of Ritsuko's mother, after Rei I called her an old hag, and revealed to her that she was being used by Gendo. Rei II dies to protect Shinji from being infected by an Angel.

Rei is supposedly the base of future quiet mysterious girls in newer anime, such as Ruri Hoshino of Martian Successor Nadesico and D of Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure

Shinji Ikari:

Shinji is a complicated character with many psychological issues. He claims his father abandoned him, but whether this is true or simply Shinji's reinterpretation of his own running away isn't clear. Shinji hates his father. His mother died in an accident during which her soul was absorbed into Eva Unit 01. No one has ever expressed love for Shinji (except for Kaworu Nagisa, the 17th Angel). He runs from his problems rather than confronting them. He has very low self-esteem and often does what others tell him to do. He repeatedly tries to run away from NERV and the horror of piloting the Eva. His friends (especially Misato Katsuragi) try to help him and tell him that running away doesn't solve anything. He appears to learn this by the end of the series, and Episode 26 (from the TV series, not 26' from EoE) shows Shinji psychoanalyzing himself back to relative normality. End of Evangelion also seems to portray Shinji growing out of his problems. These matters should be covered in more detail by more people (in the Talk section perhaps?)

Although Shinji seems to be considered a sympathetic character in Japan, there is a notable amount of fan dislike and outright hatred for the character among Americans fans, although this is sometimes criticized as Shinji being an atypical hero who feelings of helplessness make fans uncomfortable.

Shinji is the son of Gendo Ikari and Yui Ikari. He is the Third Child and the designated pilot of EVA Unit 01.

Shinji's anti-hero persona seems to have inspired many more like him. As before NGE, oddball boys rose to the challenge, Shinji never did. RahXephon's Kamino Ayato seems to be built on Shinji, while Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure's Kazuki Yotsuga seems to turn Shinji back into a rise to the challenge typical anime boy hero.

Naoko Akagi

The notion that her soul lives on inside EVA-00, however popular, is based on purely superficial evidence and fails upon closer scrutiny.

How so? At the moment, there isn't strong evidence for any particular soul in Eva-00. Some people say Rei I's soul is somehow in Unit 00, but if Rei I and Rei II have Lillith's soul, how would that be possible?

I can answer that.

Take note of Kyoko's contact experiment. When she tried to pilot Unit02, she didn't get sucked in as Yui did. Instead, 'part' of her soul was transfered. Most say it was the mother portion because she couldn't recognize her daughter. Also, take note that Lilith is the 'Mother' for all lilim. One would think her soul would have different properites.

Tables!

So, how do you get a floating table to not extend beyond the section it's in? I couldn't figure out how when i was making the tables, which is why some of them are floating and some aren't; if they extend past their sections, they start running into each other and look really ugly.

Does anyone actually care about the blood types? Should we just get rid of them? Pyrop 21:23, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)

The Japanese often include blood types for characters and celebrities. There are various beliefs of blood types being indicators of personality, or used in a similar way to horoscopes. There is no need to not include this information, if only for the sake of completeness -- KaranJ

I've found out that the blood types are just the same as the character's voiceactor's blood type, so i don't think there's any significance to them. They can be found easily enough for anyone who cares (the j.a.e faq states them), so i'm going to remove them; if anyone feels particularly opposed, revert my edit. -℘yrop (talk) 22:16, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

redirects

Note because i'm sure someone's going to ask me about it; I'm making redirects for so many Eva characters (and misspelling thereof) just because i know if i don't some bored otaku out there will say "They don't have a page on my favorite Eva character! I'm going to make one!". Pre-emptive redirecting, as it were. -Pyrop 23:49, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

• When are you going to finish? I tried Toji, Maya, Naoko, Kouzou and so, but they're not up. -anon
  • I didn't say i was going to do all of them. I mostly just did the ones popular with the fans. It seems a little overboard to make redirs for all of the characters... -Pyrop 16:30, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

merge of "List of ancillary characters"

I've merged in what was formerly at List of ancillary List of characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion. (I'm going to have to retitle this page now, but eh.) I'll be moving List of ancillary List of characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion to a subpage of this soon, to preserve history, so i'm going to copy the sole comment from its talk page here (which reflects why i merged it):

Is this article even necessary or useful? I don't think so. – Mackeriv 04:47, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Some of the extremely unimportant characters may be removed soon. -℘yrop (talk) 01:16, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

What used to be at "List of ancillary List of characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion" is now at Talk:List of characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion/List of ancillary List of characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion. -℘yrop (talk) 04:16, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

Spelling of names

It seems that the spelling of names in this article is not matching the spelling of the same names later on in the page, and at least three different romanizations are being used. I'm going to have a go at it, and see if I can make them more uniform. Kyou

Done and done. I think. Kyou 19:59, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

RE: Hikaru Ichijo/Ichijyo. "a macross fan yelled at us earlier for using ichijo instead of ichijyo (which is apparently the canonical spelling)" I only get 557 google hits for "Ichijyo" (I've never seen it romanized that way myself) versus 65,200 for "Ichijo." On top of that, I'm looking at the prototype Rei page here in Der Mond - even if Ichijyo IS the canonical Macross spelling, the illustration of what would soon be Rei clearly says "Yui Ichijō". I feel this is enough to change the spelling of Prototype Rei's last name, if not Hikaru's as well. Thoughts? Kyou 20:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, if Der Mond says "Yui Ichijō", then it's "Yui Ichijō". However, googling for "ichijyo macross" gets 749, whereas "ichijo macross" gets 613 (and other spellings get less), so it seems the spelling "Ichijyo" is at least marginally more popular. Basically, i think this article should spell "Hikaru Ichijyo" however the Macross article spells it. -℘yrop (talk) 20:49, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd hoped we could come to a compromise. ;) Kyou

On a somewhat similiar subject, in episode 21 directors cut version in Japanese with English subtitles, Keel Lorenz is written as Kihl Lorentz. I'm a bit uncertain as to which one is correct. Could anyone clarify this? --cheese-cube 01:42, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,510 for "keel lorenz". vs. Results 1 - 8 of about 15 for "kihl lorentz". ;) I think it should stay as is, potentially with a note saying that it's spelled differently in the Director's Cut. Kyou 16:06, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

split

As with WP:FICT, and the fact that the page is quite long, the main characters should have their own article pages again (as was the case before they were merged into this one). Since NGE is a seminal anime work, it's only fitting. As before, there were short descriptions on this page, and longer articles on character pages, this should probably be done now. (You'll notice that since NGE articles were written, tonnes of inconsequential anime have character articles, along with other forms of fiction, and many works have episode articles)

I propose restoring/creating the character articles for

• Shinji Ikari
• Rei Ayanami
• Asuka Sorhyu Langley
• Misato Kitsuragi
• Gendo Ikari
• Ritsuko Akagi

I would think that the following also should have character articles:

• Kaji Ryoji
• Maya Ibuki
• Yui Ikari
• Mana Kirishima
• Touji Suzuhara
• Kawarou Nagisa
• Kensuke Aida
• Hikari Horaki
• Keel Lorenz
• Pen Pen

Bearing in mind, we can more easily integrate information from the "GoS" and "GoS2" universes into character pages, as well as manga information, since the manga has a somewhat different storyline than the tv show.

132.205.45.110 05:15, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

It's a good idea, but it's also a big job. Some of the characters don't have enough information on them to warrant their own page. What do we do with them? --cheese-cube 05:40, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

• We could stubbify them. At any rate, we have enough information for the first set of characters I mentioned. We'll keep a small paragraph here about them with a

see main article:character name

at the top of each section for that character. 132.205.46.188 23:11, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah that would work. I'll see if I can start work today. --cheese-cube 01:38, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I've made a start by giving Rei Ayanami her own article. Is this the way in which I should proceed? --cheese-cube 01:51, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks good to me. 132.205.45.110 03:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I disagree, this is a pretty short character page and doesn't need splitting any time in the near future. At most give Shinji, Asuka and Rei seperate articles. --zippedmartin 02:50, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the split template from the article. If anyone thinks that more needs to be done, then just say so.

I'm just wondering, why are the descriptions for Nagsa, Kaji and Yui Ikari's sections completely omitted? -Anon

Seperate articles

I support this, for sure, but minor characters for which there's little information should be on this article. --Merovingian (t) (c) 01:55, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Contradictory Material

Since the split, the information in this page and the accompanying pages has become contradictory. There has to be a collaboration between the information presented on both pages. Of particular note is the piece on Rei Ayanami on the List of characters in Neon Genesis Evangelion page and her own page, Rei Ayanami. This problem has mostly arisen from the current disputes between selected members over the validity of information in the RCB. This has to be fixed. --cheese-cube 03:56, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

The best way to resolve the problem, as I see it, is that there must be a change on the character's main page first before the corresponding change is moved over to their abridged version, here. As for the issue of the RCB, it's very simple. All information given by GAINAX from that book should be treated as canon to "fill the gaps". Any conflict of information between the mediums of Evangelion should be noted on the page. Of course, information from other, less canon sources such as the games released by GAINAX should be treated as separate from the Evangelion we are concerned about, making sure to state where such notions originate from. -Anon

Kaji's death

Didn't Anno say in an interview that Kaji's death was not of interest, that he was shot by a security guard or some other low level personnel like that? --Maru (talk) 23:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Spelling character names

I think we should settle on one set 'dogma' for spelling character names. Personally, I disfavor shortening all long sounds to one letter (e.g. Gendou -> Gendo, etc.) for the reason that it degrades the quality of information being given about the subjects. Also, I find that they look ugly.

If I may be so bold, I'd like to propose a list of relevant names with their spelling:

• Asuka Langley Sohryu
• Touji Suzuhara
• Kaworu Nagisa
• Gendou Ikari
• Kouzou Fuyutsuki
• Makoto Hyuuga
• Ryouji Kaji
• Kyouko Zeppelin Sohryu

-Anon

• • That's how I spelled them all when I last edited this page. I see someone has changed some back and not others. But I completely agree with you, Anony-mouse, and will try my best to change them back. Unless someone else thinks I shouldn't, for some reason. Kyou
  • See also the talk page for Gendo Ikari. Kyou 17:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Also, I just checked the ADV Films page for Eva, and they even spell Asuka's last name 'Sohryu.' There is no reason to spell it with the short vowel. Kyou 16:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

VIZ spells it "Soryu". And the dub I watch on TV says "Soryu", AFAIK. Hmmm... maybe there's some inconsistencies here. WhisperToMe 17:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

http://www.madman.com.au/nge/ - Madman uses "Soryu", "Gendo", "Touji", and "Ryouji". WhisperToMe 18:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

EDIT: VIZ uses all small o's and u's. WhisperToMe 04:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Third Child...Emotionally Cornered

You know...I have been thinking...ever since I have seen Shinji Ikari fight the angels he has been chanting his mantra of "I mustn't run away...I mustn't run away...I mustn't run away...", and it seems that he has no choice to fight. But sometimes when he tries to get his self confidence back like in that incident with Leliel...it almost caused him to be swallowed up and Misato said he's going to give him a chew-out session later because she and the others think that after he became No. 1 on his synch ratio test his ego came up and had more confidence. After that, he goes back to the form we all recognize and berate him for. And somehow, this situation (and others if there are any that he faced) caused him to be just like the victims of Paranoia Agent..emotionally trapped in a corner with no way to fight. If he runs, then destiny gives him a face slap and forces him to fight, and it messes up his psychological self. But when his confidence and sense of self is heightened, others like Asuka and Gendo try to knock him down and keep him down. It's almost as if fate hates him. I...started to feel sorry for the defender of Tokyo-3 having him emotionally shattered even to the end of the movie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seishirou Sakurazuka (talk • contribs) .

Did SEELE actually lie to Kaworu?

I just picked up the new Eva box set, and while I was flipping through the episodes, I noticed that in the DC of 24, when Kaworu is meeting with SEELE in the middle of the lake, they actually mention that the remains of Adam's body have been embedded in Gendo's hand while they're telling Kaworu that he has Adam's soul, and then after SEELE "leaves," Kaworu goes on to say something about "Everything is proceding as the Lilim wish." I don't know about anyone else, but I have to wonder, just who is the unreliable one here? On the one hand, it makes it less likely that SEELE lied to Kaworu about Rei having Lilith's soul, but on the other hand, if Kaworu had this information, why did he go to Terminal Dogma anyway, and why the !@#$ was he surprised to run into Lilith instead of Adam?! --Anon 10:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering that myself. I also recall that incident; I don't think they said it was in his /hand/, but rather in his body... but I can't recall the exact quote. Obsidian-fox 23:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

An interesting conundrum. You have to assume though that in Central Dogma was either Lilith's body or Adam's body, and that Kaworu could not have thought it could have been a third alternative. I can't think of what that third thing could have been though. --maru (talk) contribs 02:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Ritsuko and Kaji

I don't think Ritsuko and Kaji were ever involved in a non-platonic relationship; Kaji just enjoys flirting with her. (from 10:41, 7 January 2006 71.198.9.76 - this info. added by Cupcakeforyou)

I agree. I already edited Ritsuko's section to reflect that their flirting is probably misinterpreted. Cupcakeforyou 08:26, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Huh?

Does this sentence make sense to anyone?

"Misato dies just after she sends Shinji away, and was cognizant of that."

Who was cognizant, and cognizant of what? If the implication is that Misato knew she was going to die, there are much better ways of saying that...

Just making sure I'm not missing something before making an edit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.13.40.101 (talk • contribs) .

I agree with your point. She knew she was doing, and made him a proposal/promise she knew she was not going to fulfill. -- ReyBrujo 03:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Keel Lorenz

I removed info about Keel being Longinus. It seems who ever wrote the info mixed up Longinus with the Wandering Jew stated earlier in the paragraph. Loginus was converted after stabbing Jesus, not condemned in a similar manner to the Jew story. I also made it clear that the show difinitively has evidences opposing the jew theory - which is an ugly fan concoction. -- Mark 2000 03:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Y'know, I've heard that Lorenz is not supposed to be Ahaseureus several times, but I've never actually heard the justifications for that belief. Why are you so sure Lorenz is not the Immortal Jew? --maru (talk) contribs 05:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Episode 21. Watch the flash backs. There is a monochrome photo of Keel from 20 years prior to the the current story in which he is much younger with dark hair and no wrinkles. Would a 3000 year old man grey in 20 years? Let it rest here an now, please. --Mark 2000 04:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Ahh. Y'know, I never noticed that before. Thanks. --maru (talk) contribs 04:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Its mentioned in the article. Any other people who want to perpetuate this theory take a look at this photo that the script ids as keel: http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-21/21_C107_b_big.jpg --Mark 2000 04:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I added a citation needed tag at the end of the sentence that sates his name came from Lonrad Lorenz as I think it may have came from Edward Lorenz, the "creator" of the butter fly effect. --Black death 03:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Kozo Fuyutsuki

Doesn't Gendo mention that cloning Yui to create Rei was Fuyutsuki's idea? Something about Rei being the product of Fuyutsuki's despair, and now Gendo's hope (or something along those lines.

I forget exactly where this was said, but it makes sense given Fuyutsuki's heightened importance later in the series. JONJONAUG 18:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

In the Director's Cut version of Rei III, Fuyutsuki says something about Rei being born from his desesperation, fueling Gendo's hope. -- ReyBrujo 18:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It's a metaphor, there's absolutely nothing to indicate it was Kozo's idea. Nightmare X 17:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Leo Tadoshima?

In what version of the story does this guy exist? Or is his inclusion an error?68.236.159.105 19:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

He doesn't exist, except perhaps in someone's fanfiction. I've never heard of him, at any rate. :P Kyou 23:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It's a cool story though. That IP was certainly a creative one^^ --NorkNork ^Questions? _fnord? 15:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The title of "Head Commander"

If it's clear that Gendo is the Commander of Nerv and since he's addressed as such, why not have his title as just "Commander"? "Head Commander" sounds extraeneous, awkward, and I have not seen such a term used in all the reading I've done on subjects of a military nature. --BrokenSphere 18:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Summaries in this article vs. individual articles

Do the characters that have their own articles really need some of the extensive write-ups that they have in this article? It seems to me that a single paragraph for each of these characters would be suffcient, with the extra information either moved to their articles or deleted outright if it's redundant. Also, it would help to reduce the article size. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 02:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree.--Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 03:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

If I get time tonight, I'm going to either cut down or outright remove a lot of this material. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 18:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Asuka's fate in the end

It says in the Character information that asuka is presumed dead, however in the final episodes that I saw, Shinji goes through a serious head trip in which he and Rei discuss serious psychological issues, and then in the last few scenes, Shinji is back, alive, and Asuka is lying next to him, beaten, but alive. So, how come it says that she died? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BSOM180 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

Asuka's death is never shown in EoE, but the NERV personnel in Central Dogma say that she is dead after the MP Evas make a pincushion out of Unit 02. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 06:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Toji's Left Arm

I have altered the discription to recognize the fact that the amputation of his left arm is still up for debate, and can be argued from both sides. Unless someone can cite either way, it should be left as an unknown. --Tarage 12:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no "teach the controversy" situation; he lost his left arm. --Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici 14:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Freudian Oedipus Complex? I don't think so.

I clicked on the link to see what that was, and apparently its the desire to have sex with your mother. Now, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me. How exactly would Shinji be expressing this by climbing into a robot which, unbeknownst to him, has his mother's soul watching over him? He wants his father's approval, and that of others, which he clearly states as the reason why he pilots, when asked in one episode.

I vote that be removed from the artical, unless someone can mention a reason why its it in there.

Remember, Shinji was very young when his mother died. He may have longed for a mother, or anyone to care about him, but wishing to for a mother, and wishing to have sex with your mother, are two totally unrelated things.Dream Focus 01:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think very highly of Sigmund FraudFreud and the whole Oedipus complex idea is thrown around far too much in cases where someone shows an "abnormal" attraction towards their mother. The main problem with making diagnoses in the psychiatric profession is that there is no base line for what is normal. How do you judge what is an abnormal attraction towards ones mother? I agree with you that Shinji's behaviour in the series does not sufficiently indicate any significant evidence of him having Oedipus complex (Whatever that evidence is). The speculation should be removed. —cheese-cube 02:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)