Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Television stations task force

Page move discussion

There's a page move discussion happening at Talk:UNTV (Philippines)#Requested move 21 December 2022. Any members of this Wikiproject are open to discuss what could be the potential outcome to move the page. 2600:1700:9BF3:220:6D6E:5479:F240:D16E (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of K25NG-D for deletion

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Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of K04QR-D for deletion

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This a 140-article nomination of non-notable low-power TV stations owned by Innovate Corp. nationally, thus the notice in project space. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of KNTS-LP

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 16:57, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Out-of-state stations in intrastate TV templates? (continued)

Yeah, we had this discussion before (see here), but @Vjmlhds: and I have been having a little beef on whether stations in Fort Wayne, Charleston/Huntington, etc. should be included in the Ohio templates, despite serving parts of the state OTA and via cable/satellite. I'd like @Nathan Obral: (a fellow Ohioan himself) and @Sammi Brie: to weigh in on this. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 17:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Just because the stations can be seen in little slivers of Ohio it doesn't mean they serve said slivers. I made a comparison to how radio station WJR in Detroit can be heard loud and clear in Cleveland, but it doesn't mean it serves Cleveland or counts as a Cleveland station. Same idea here. Fort Wayne stations can squeak into extreme western Ohio...all well and good, a nice little bonus, but it doesn't mean they serve that area. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

The application of TV markets, in my opinion, should be defined by the boundaries set forth by the designated market areas (which I personally think are an outdated system, but its the only thing we've got for measuring). The Toledo DMA does extend into Michigan (Lenawee County) while Defiance is right at the border of the Toledo and Fort Wayne DMAs (Paulding County is in Fort Wayne DMA, and Defiance County is in the Toledo DMA). The Huntington-Ashland-Charleston DMA has non-insignificant parts of Ohio and Kentucky even with the bulk of it being in West Virginia.

I'll also throw this out. Cincinnati is a border market with a DMA that's in three states (thus, the "Tri-State"). WXIX-TV is licensed to Newport, Kentucky, but is a Cincinnati station. It's also rightfully listed in the templates for Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana. Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 04:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

The Huntington-Ashland-Charleston DMA also includes Portsmouth, OH, and the whole area is called "Kyova" (a term taking bits and pieces from KY, OH, and W.Va) It too is a Tri-State area. My only thing with this whole deal is I just err on the side of caution, because there's so much grey area it's easy to get stuck in a quagmire, which is why low and slow works best, and not just throwing everything into the soup. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:35, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I think I found a compromise to give everybody a little of what they want. I divided the stations that are within one of Ohio's 7 DMAs into a "primary" section, and the ones whose DMAs are mainly out of state but squeak into Ohio into a "secondary" section

Above you'll see an example of the method to my madness. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:07, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

You may not be aware, but explicitly going by Nielsen markets is strongly discouraged. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio Stations/Archive 2013#Arbitron is now Nielsen — Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 00:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Except these templates don't refer to Nielsen by name. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I am, unfortunately, not a member of VRT, or else I'd dig up the specifics of the DMCA takedown notice from the ticket. That said, nothing on the page I linked to said that the specific problem was referring to Nielsen by name. It had to do with including DMA information. The problems with that are: (1) "DMA" is a registered trademark of Nielsen, and (2) their market info is proprietary.

As further evidence of what I am saying, look at what Nielsen says on their own website: "DMA boundaries and data are solely owned and exclusive to Nielsen. Any use and or reproduction of these materials without the express written consent of Nielsen is strictly prohibited." — Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 01:05, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I just want to add that we've had discussions on this type of thing in WikiProject Radio Stations, too – including a thread I started recently to seek some clarity. While I was glad to get some engagement on that thread, I'm not sure it ended up achieving as much as I'd hoped for. What I want is to construct some solid guidelines together and codify them into a set of standards on a page somewhere so that anyone and everyone can refer to them easily. I wouldn't mind leading such an effort, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes – and I'm not totally sure whose toes I should even worry about, if anyone's. — Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 01:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)