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No achievement so far. Seems non-notable Charsaddian (talk) 20:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Charsaddian (talk) 20:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Article is doomed to be a stub forever in my opinion. Her achievements and biography are already sufficiently covered elsewhere, and is not notable enough to warrant inclusion on Wikipedia according to WP:ATHLETE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agentdoge (talk • contribs) 21:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Doomed to be a stub forever? At the age of 16 she's already won an international professional tournament, she's represented her country and she's won multiple national U19's. Dr. Vogel (talk) 01:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. She's won a professional tournament in the international tour. That alone makes her notable already. She also represents her country. And she has won multiple international under 19 tournaments. And all that by the age of 16. And she was the youngest ever European player to win a PSA title.^[1] Dr. Vogel (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DrVogel, per wide consensus, sportspeople are required to meet GNG and a GNG-contributing source must be cited in their article. Her achievements do not confer or even predict notability; sourcing must be found that demonstrates she actually is notable. JoelleJay (talk) 22:51, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agree with whats already been written. Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 06:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
with what specifically? Dr. Vogel (talk) 09:30, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Baltayan won the Open des Bretzels, which was a Challenger 5 level competition,^[2] the second lowest challenger level,^[3] so I doubt that it indicates notability on its own. TSventon (talk) 14:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comment. It's a professional tournament in the world tour. And several other reasons have been presented as well. Dr. Vogel (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I have no idea what's going on with the SPAs in this discussion, but anyways. In addition to the actual major tournament win, we also have significant coverage of her across years. Here and here are just two examples. Silver seren^C 02:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Silver seren, I couldn't find any good sources online. Le Parisien looks like a start, could you access the entire L'Alsace article? I couldn't see significant coverage and it is also local coverage of an event in Mulhouse. The tournament is at challenger 5 level, which I believe means a top prize of $5,000 and it is aimed at younger athletes. TSventon (talk) 09:12, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

$5K may seem meagre to outsiders, but that's the reality of squash. There's orders of magnitude difference between prize money in squash and for example tennis. Low money doesn't mean it's not a significant tournament in the professional world tour. Which BTW I think it's tremendously unfair to these superb athletes. Dr. Vogel (talk) 09:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a major event champion and per the sources added by Silverseren which show some level of notability. And even if these are not quite to the level of WP:GNG, then we need to use WP:COMMONSENSE and keep the article anyway because Wikipedia is better off having an article about one of the top young athletes in their game. Frank Anchor 18:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per keepers, but can someone fix the gibberish in the infobox! Johnbod (talk) 23:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The only independent coverage of her I can find - already quoted above by keep !voter - clearly fails WP:YOUNGATH. No problem with re-creation once she becomes notable, but as of yet, she clearly fails WP:GNG, and winning a professional tournament - especially one with a prize of only $5k - means nothing. SportingFlyer T·C 13:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, as explained above, the prize money means nothing. Prize money in squash is ridiculously low. This is a major tournament. Dr. Vogel (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment More sources that discuss the subject have been added. Dr. Vogel (talk) 15:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://thesquashsite.com/open-de-bretzels-2023

[2] ttps://www.psaworldtour.com/challenger-tour/open-des-bretzels-tournament-preview/

[3] ttps://www.psaworldtour.com/psa-challenger-tour/

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 *'''Delete''' The only independent coverage of her I can find - already quoted above by keep !voter - clearly fails [[WP:YOUNGATH]]. No problem with re-creation once she becomes notable, but as of yet, she clearly fails [[WP:GNG]], and winning a professional tournament - especially one with a prize of only $5k - means nothing. [[User:SportingFlyer|SportingFlyer]] ''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:top;">[[User talk:SportingFlyer|T]]</span>''·''<span style="font-size:small; vertical-align:bottom;">[[Special:Contributions/SportingFlyer|C]]</span>'' 13:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 *:Hi, as explained above, the prize money means nothing. Prize money in squash is ridiculously low. This is a major tournament. [[User:DrVogel|Dr. Vogel]] ([[User talk:DrVogel|talk]]) 14:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
+*'''Comment''' More sources that discuss the subject have been added. [[User:DrVogel|Dr. Vogel]] ([[User talk:DrVogel|talk]]) 15:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)