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How does Walt Disney get credit an award for films in which all he did was fund them? Avalon (talk) Avalon (talk) 01:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Shape of Water should be listed as the first science fiction winning BP

I know the source we've chosen to cite for all the other entries in that genre list says that The Shape of Water doesn't count as sci-fi because it's "romantic fantasy" -- but that strikes me as really odd. The site we're citing, to be clear, is https://www.filmsite.org/bestpics2.html -- a film fan site that's been around since the mid-90s, but not a site I think of as so authoritative that we couldn't consider alternative suggestions. And I think there's just no question that many in the popular press and at other film fan sites online treated the award going to The Shape of Water as the first BP-winning science fiction film: see https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shape-of-water-oscars_n_5a8ddf4de4b077f5bfeaa1ab or https://comicon.com/2018/03/05/why-the-shape-of-waters-best-picture-oscar-matters-to-science-fiction-film/ as two examples. So, I think clearly we can't just leave Everything Everywhere All At Once in sole possession of the genre claim -- unless that list is meant to solely represent the opinions of that one fan site, which doesn't make any sense to me at all? If that's the intention, a) we need to call much louder attention to the source of that list, and b) I would like to know why of all the fan sites we'd privilege that one. How, though, do we handle the resulting conflict? Identifying and asterisking both films as potentially being first? Naming just The Shape of Water as the first sci-fi film to win the prize, and leaving Everything Everywhere in possession of its other titles? I'm open to solutions -- but I think if we're going to have a list of "first in its genre to win BP" we really can't leave The Shape of Water off it entirely, as we currently do. Jwrosenzweig (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 How does Walt Disney get credit an award for films in which all he did was fund them? [[User:Avalon|Avalon]] ([[User talk:Avalon|talk]]) [[User:Avalon|Avalon]] ([[User talk:Avalon|talk]]) 01:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
+== The Shape of Water should be listed as the first science fiction winning BP ==
+I know the source we've chosen to cite for all the other entries in that genre list says that The Shape of Water doesn't count as sci-fi because it's "romantic fantasy" -- but that strikes me as really odd. The site we're citing, to be clear, is https://www.filmsite.org/bestpics2.html -- a film fan site that's been around since the mid-90s, but not a site I think of as so authoritative that we couldn't consider alternative suggestions. And I think there's just no question that many in the popular press and at other film fan sites online treated the award going to The Shape of Water as the first BP-winning science fiction film: see https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shape-of-water-oscars_n_5a8ddf4de4b077f5bfeaa1ab or https://comicon.com/2018/03/05/why-the-shape-of-waters-best-picture-oscar-matters-to-science-fiction-film/ as two examples. So, I think clearly we can't just leave Everything Everywhere All At Once in sole possession of the genre claim -- unless that list is meant to solely represent the opinions of that one fan site, which doesn't make any sense to me at all? If that's the intention, a) we need to call much louder attention to the source of that list, and b) I would like to know why of all the fan sites we'd privilege that one. How, though, do we handle the resulting conflict? Identifying and asterisking both films as potentially being first? Naming just The Shape of Water as the first sci-fi film to win the prize, and leaving Everything Everywhere in possession of its other titles? I'm open to solutions -- but I think if we're going to have a list of "first in its genre to win BP" we really can't leave The Shape of Water off it entirely, as we currently do. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] ([[User talk:Jwrosenzweig|talk]]) 19:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)