Talk:Alytus

Panie Halibucie, you should consider helping by expanding this city history or it's importance in Polish history, before adding not contemporary name to an article about Lithuanian District center. Altough you should remember, that this city was allways GDL, like Seinai.--Lokyz 22:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Then please be informed that, besides having a significant Polish population prior to 1945, the town was also a part of Congress Poland for some time, not to mention a period when it was part of the Kingdom of Poland prior to partitions. But if that's not enough, check what was the name of the town king Stefan Batory granted city rights to in 1581... //Halibutt 10:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the name of Vygandas Marburgietis is simply hilarious. Was he a Lithuanian as well? :D //Halibuttas 10:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

So why don't you correct it? It's easy.--Lokyz 11:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, in all similar cases I was instantly reverted, so perhaps I'll better stand back and wait for others to correct it? After all I'm just a POV-pushing polish nationalist... //Halibutt 13:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Self portraits are usually the best likenesses. Couldn't have described the antagonist much better myself. Slightly revealing that "polish" was un-capitalized. Must have been a typo, rather than a Freudian slip though. Dr. Dan 14:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

No, Dan, just a quote of our Lithuanian friends. A direct quote BTW. //Halibutt 12:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Halibutt, in the future, please follow the guidelines in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) "Alternatively, all alternative names can be moved to and explained in a "Names" or "Etymology" section immediately following the lead, or a special paragraph of the lead; we recommend that this be done if there are at least three alternate names". Novickas 16:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

That's satisfactory.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be better if Halibutt spoke for himself in this matter, since he made the reverts. Novickas 00:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Your're almost asking for the impossible. Dr. Dan 19:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

As long as the historic name of that town is mentioned somewhere in the lead I'm satisfied. Bolding and putting it next to the modern name was a nicer option, but since it raises so much bad blood I could agree to a separate part of the lead. That seems like a nice solution. //Halibutt 01:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Dan, please do stop your personal remarks. They are not funny, not needed and not relevant. //Halibutt 09:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Most remarks are personal remarks, and I'm not trying to be funny. Fortunately this project remains an open forum where people can freely express themselves. Unfortunately you seem to think only your input is relevant. I'm still waiting for you to show the members of the Wikipedia project where and when User: Ghirlandajo, made a death threat against you. When you do, if you can, corraborate this absurd and outlandish claim that you made, I will reassess my opinion of what and who you are about. I'll even try to reach a modus vivendi with you, if you wish. In the mean time, as far as I'm concerned you have displayed a vicious and mean spirited attitude towards me and others for some time now, so maybe it's you who needs to stop your personal remarks. Dr. Dan 19:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Wrong. This project is an open encyclopaedia, not a forum. It was not created to chat, slander and offend people, it was created to allow people to create articles. Besides, the rest of your claims do not belong here. Have a problem with me? Settle it at my talk page. Have a problem with Ghirlandajo - settle it at his. In any way, I'm perfectly happy with the solution proposed by Novickas and that's all that counts, the rest is off-topic. //Halibutt 21:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You asked me to stay off your talk page. Let's settle it here and now. Did Ghirla make a death threat against you on Wikipedia? Or are you a liar (something that you recently called me) hallucinating between interludes of POV pushing and peppering Wikipedia with propaganda? And the talk pages are a forum, especially made for you. Dr. Dan 05:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course, Dan. Certainly. Bon apetit. //Halibutt 11:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Me thinks, thou dost does not tell us from whence cameth the death threat, because it didn't happen. Didn't happen! Didn't happen! And you know what that makes you. Dr. Dan 13:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

One of your kind perhaps? //Halibutt 20:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps not. One thing I do know for a fact, is I never insulted your parents. You can apologize for that lie and false claim against me. And by now it's obvious that you cannot produce any evidence for the "alleged" death threat that Ghirla supposedly made against you. It is pretty obvious that you are lying or have a very lurid imagination. At least try to keep that penchant of yours to do so on the talk pages, and out of the articles in the future. Dr. Dan 14:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Nope, Dan, you simply suggested they were members of the communist party. This was the insult I asked you to apologize for and this is the insult you never had the guts to withdraw. Moreover, the logical fallacy you presented was that "since my parents were for sure members of the commie party, the facts I present are most likely wrong". A nice logical fallacy, isn't it. Need a link or do you remember it now? Last time I presented the link, you simply ignored it, the previous time I presented it you ignored it as well... Don't really have the time to dig it up. BTW, I was the first to ask you to present some backup for your absurd accusations - so far I'm waiting. Until then allow me to treat your offensive language and tone as simple trolling. You request replies- give them first. You request fair treatment - be fair to others. Request the others to treat you seriously - be serious. As simple as that.

By the way, I took the liberty to revert your recent changes in which you once again blind-reverted me without much hesitation. The Russian name for this town seems to be Олита ([1]), as the name of Алитyc is merely a transliteration and is not used by anyone[2]. Even the Russian wiki admits that the Russian name is Олита[3].

Also, there are two Yiddish names of this town. No idea why did you decide to delete one of them. //Halibutt 17:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yet another manipulation of sources - this so called "not used by anyone" yields 61,400. Strange incapability to use google properly... M.K. 17:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's Get it Out in the Open

I remember the entire conversation about schabowy, communist Polish girls, and the rest of the garbage that you are lying about. If you are too lazy to produce the link in questio maybe someone else can. In the meantime I reiterate that I never insulted your parents. That's a lie. And I reiterate that Ghirladajo never issued a death threat to you on Wikipedia. That too, is a lie. As for blind-reverting anyone, that's a really humorous claim, as your recent edits on Operation Wilno clearly demonstrate. Dr. Dan 00:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL. Take this link and read it carefully. If it does not help - do it again. And again. There's all of your style in it: offensive and patronizing tone, accusations aimed at my family, pro personam remarks... First you call it a criminality and then you suggest my family was part of it... but hell no, this has nothing to do with calling my parents commies (or Nazis for that matter, since both are equally offensive, especially in such a context)... right?

And after reading your comment again and again do you still dare to call me a liar? Sorry Dan, my patience is over. From now on I will report every such remark by you to where it belongs. You disrupt wikipedia and waste the time of honest wikipedians on OT chatter and unneeded offences. If that's what you like - fine, but don't expect me to join you in this kind of games any more. //Halibutt 02:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL, right back. It was you who called me a liar first. And you who has added lots of insulting remarks to your comments towards me. And I have read the link (thank you, for providing it), I found the thread yesterday, and re-read it again and again. Nowhere "did I insult your parents." After user:Molobo and you proceeded to pepper the article on the 17th German Infantry Division (kindly re-read its talk pages) with personal opinions and communist propaganda from the PRL, my reponse to you was on your talk page, August 16, 2006, under Communism in Poland. I did not insult your parents. BTW, you are welcome to simply state no, none of my family members belonged to the PZPR, if that's the case. And even if they were, why would that be insulting anyway? And in my remarks I clearly stated, that in the event that my suspicions were incorrect, you had my apologies. And the death threat from Ghirlandajo? Where is it? You make wild and false claims, and then threaten "to report every such remark". Did he make a death threat or not? I'm more than ready and willing to reach an agreement with you, and apologize for all of my sins. Just show us the death threat. A death threat, BTW, is a rather serious legal matter. Imagining them is a rather serious medical matter. Dr. Dan 14:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)