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Dmytro Klyachkivsky started the [[Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia|Galicia-Volhynia massacres]] and it was approved by Roman Shukhevych, leader of Ukrainian Nationalist Army. Both war criminals were assassinated. |
Dmytro Klyachkivsky started the [[Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia|Galicia-Volhynia massacres]] and it was approved by Roman Shukhevych, leader of Ukrainian Nationalist Army. Both war criminals were assassinated. |
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== The UPA were always allies with Germany == |
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The UPA fought for Germany all the way until the end of ww2 in Europe. Wikipedia moderators are pro Ukrainian nazis [[User:Napalm Guy|Napalm Guy]] ([[User talk:Napalm Guy|talk]]) 10:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC) |
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Anti-semitism early?
The claim that the upa later became non antisemitic is absurd the people who made the claim that the upa was not antisemitic comes from people like roman shuskevych who literally was the head of the nachtigall battalion which participated in the holocaust
it’s clear that upa changed it’s retoric to try to get appeal from the western allies Another infamous fascist group that did this later on during the cold war was the iron guard which the post war OUN was allied to through the ”anti bolshevik bloc of nations” along with ante pavelic’s ustaša
please someone remove the early section from the antisemitism description 176.72.103.91 (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Nuancing the "anti-polonism" label
While it's true that parts of UPA, were rabidly anti-polish, other wanted to cooperate with polish anti-communists. Especially after the war(see attack on Hrubieszów). 2A02:3030:808:8FAF:1:0:56C4:CB7B (talk) 01:08, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
lechaim.ru/
I made this edit as the source is a non-scholarly Russian website lechaim.ru, which cites a reliable source but the RS does not mention the UPA or Shukhevych and focuses on a 1941 order by the OUN's Iaroslav Stetsko. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
17 September 2023 page vandalism
User:Бровар made a series of edits that
- removed the entire allies section of the info box, presumably to whitewash the well-documented Nazi-UPA alliance.
- removed "antisemitism" and "fascism" from the ideology section, presumably with the same intention.
- removed the well-sourced accusations of holocaust complicity (Le Monde was the original citation).
I'm not well versed in Wikipedia backend - what is the process for reverting this vandalism and blocking the vandal?
(pinging the last editor for visibility) @Bobfrombrockley Aachenshinto (talk) 19:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- I reverted the vandalism. Recommend blocking User:Бровар from editing this page. Aachenshinto (talk) 19:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- While only one of Бровар’s edits had an edit summary, the edits appear to be good faith not vandalism, and this is not behaviour that should lead to a block without a larger pattern. Please assume good faith. As EricLewan also notes, two of the infobox bullets are contentious labels that lack support in the body (and in fact contradict it). Please get consensus here (and RSs in body) before considering restoring. BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Polish 2nd Republic
Hi, @UA0Volodymyr I noticed that your removed Polish People's Republic as the enemy of UPA and replaced it with Second Polish Republic, in my opinion it's bad change because UPA didn't exist before 1942 and was fighting against Communist Poland. Can you rollback that?
Also why did you removed mention of Borotvet's army ([1])? Marcelus (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't I just removed dates near Polish People's Republic and Borotvet's army was Ukrainian People's Revolutionary Army, another organization. UA0Volodymyr (talk) 20:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, ok I confused versions.
- As for the other thing: my concern is for the removal of text starting with Another separate, independent UPA.... I think it was useful information. Marcelus (talk) 20:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
- that was Borotvet's army. UA0Volodymyr (talk) 20:04, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Dmytro Klyachkivsky started the Galicia-Volhynia massacres and it was approved by Roman Shukhevych, leader of Ukrainian Nationalist Army. Both war criminals were assassinated.
The UPA were always allies with Germany
The UPA fought for Germany all the way until the end of ww2 in Europe. Wikipedia moderators are pro Ukrainian nazis Napalm Guy (talk) 10:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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